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<blockquote data-quote="Korgoth" data-source="post: 3453554" data-attributes="member: 49613">The &quot;Classic D&amp;D&quot; you linked to is something I know of but I haven't ever had access to a copy.&nbsp; I expect that it is similar to Mentzer Basic (the Red D&amp;D Basic with the Elmore picture of the guy vs. the red dragon).The &quot;RC&quot; is an edited (poorly) compilation of the Mentzer Basic, Expert, Companion and Master sets, with some extra stuff thrown in.The &quot;Basic&quot; you linked to is actually the Holmes Basic.&nbsp; That is levels 1-3, and is similar to OD&amp;D though not exactly.The &quot;Expert&quot; you linked to is the Mentzer Expert.&nbsp; Mentzer Expert differs somewhat OD&amp;D in that it uses a different Cleric spell progression chart and various charts like Thief skills are set up to ultimately go to level 36... a closer &quot;Expert&quot; fit for Holmes Basic would be the Cook Expert, but there's no pdf for that as far as I know.Just to refresh:OD&amp;D:&quot;White Box&quot; (or Woodgrain Box if you are a real oldie/lottery winner) containing 3 little brown books.&nbsp; Minimal stat importance, cleric spells go to 5th only, classes are Fighting Man, Magic User, Cleric, Elf, Dwarf and Hobbit.&nbsp; No variable weapon damage.&quot;Supplements I - IV&quot;&nbsp; With it all added in, begins to resemble AD&amp;D 1e.&quot;Holmes Basic&quot;&nbsp; I'm not real sure about the rules... some may place this under &quot;Classic&quot; instead of &quot;OD&amp;D&quot;.&nbsp; Minimal stat importance, no variable weapon damage.Classic D&amp;D&quot;Moldvay/Cook&quot;&nbsp; The red Moldvay Basic (Erol Otus cover) and blue Cook/Marsh Expert (Erol Otus cover) are arguably the pinnacle of efficiency, clarity and simplicity in D&amp;D.&nbsp; Classes are Fighter, Magic User, Cleric, Thief, Elf, Dwarf, Halfling.&nbsp; -3 to +3 stat bonuses (unified chart), variable weapon damage as an optional rule.&nbsp; Still uses the OD&amp;D cleric spell table.&nbsp; Goes to 14th level.&quot;Mentzer&quot;&nbsp; All with Elmore covers, the red Basic, blue Expert, green Companion and black Master sets.&nbsp; Just like Moldvay/Cook, except that some of the rules get accidentally left out (like natural healing and trap finding).&nbsp; Goes to 36th level.&nbsp; Uses a revised cleric spell table, denying clerics higher level spells until slightly higher levels, but going up eventually to 7th level spells.&quot;Rules Cyclopedia&quot;&nbsp; Basically a one-volume hardcover of Mentzer, with a few additions, a few omissions and some typos.&nbsp; The only time a complete edition of D&amp;D appears in one book.AD&amp;D1e2eD&amp;D 3rd Edition3e3.5eMake sense?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Korgoth, post: 3453554, member: 49613"] The "Classic D&D" you linked to is something I know of but I haven't ever had access to a copy. I expect that it is similar to Mentzer Basic (the Red D&D Basic with the Elmore picture of the guy vs. the red dragon). The "RC" is an edited (poorly) compilation of the Mentzer Basic, Expert, Companion and Master sets, with some extra stuff thrown in. The "Basic" you linked to is actually the Holmes Basic. That is levels 1-3, and is similar to OD&D though not exactly. The "Expert" you linked to is the Mentzer Expert. Mentzer Expert differs somewhat OD&D in that it uses a different Cleric spell progression chart and various charts like Thief skills are set up to ultimately go to level 36... a closer "Expert" fit for Holmes Basic would be the Cook Expert, but there's no pdf for that as far as I know. Just to refresh: [u]OD&D:[/u] "White Box" (or Woodgrain Box if you are a real oldie/lottery winner) containing 3 little brown books. Minimal stat importance, cleric spells go to 5th only, classes are Fighting Man, Magic User, Cleric, Elf, Dwarf and Hobbit. No variable weapon damage. "Supplements I - IV" With it all added in, begins to resemble AD&D 1e. "Holmes Basic" I'm not real sure about the rules... some may place this under "Classic" instead of "OD&D". Minimal stat importance, no variable weapon damage. [u]Classic D&D[/u] "Moldvay/Cook" The red Moldvay Basic (Erol Otus cover) and blue Cook/Marsh Expert (Erol Otus cover) are arguably the pinnacle of efficiency, clarity and simplicity in D&D. Classes are Fighter, Magic User, Cleric, Thief, Elf, Dwarf, Halfling. -3 to +3 stat bonuses (unified chart), variable weapon damage as an optional rule. Still uses the OD&D cleric spell table. Goes to 14th level. "Mentzer" All with Elmore covers, the red Basic, blue Expert, green Companion and black Master sets. Just like Moldvay/Cook, except that some of the rules get accidentally left out (like natural healing and trap finding). Goes to 36th level. Uses a revised cleric spell table, denying clerics higher level spells until slightly higher levels, but going up eventually to 7th level spells. "Rules Cyclopedia" Basically a one-volume hardcover of Mentzer, with a few additions, a few omissions and some typos. The only time a complete edition of D&D appears in one book. [u]AD&D[/u] 1e 2e [u]D&D 3rd Edition[/u] 3e 3.5e Make sense? [/QUOTE]

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