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<blockquote data-quote="Mesh Hong" data-source="post: 5253216" data-attributes="member: 73463">Welcome to EnWorld.&nbsp;It is also worth pointing out that some effects have the rider &quot;on first failed save&quot;, these additional effects only activate on the saving throw made at the end of your turn not from any additional saving throws that may be granted by powers or an allies heal check.&nbsp;example:&nbsp;.....on hit target is slowed (save ends), first failed save target is instead immobilised (save ends), second failed save target is unconscious (save ends)&nbsp;If a target subject to this was granted a saving throw from (say) Shake it Off (Warlord level 2 utility power - target makes a saving throw with a bonus equal to the warlords charisma bonus) and failed the saving throw then they would still be slowed.&nbsp;If the same PC then at the end of their turn failed the saving throw verses the effect then they would be immobilised instead of slowed.&nbsp;----&nbsp;Some effects also have aftereffects, these happen immediately whenever the target succeeds in making the saving throw.&nbsp;example:&nbsp;....on hit target is immobilised (save ends) aftereffect target is slowed (save ends)&nbsp;In this case whenever the target succeeds in their saving throw they are no longer immobilised but are slowed (save ends) instead. If this is from a saving throw made at the end of the targets turn then they do not get to make a saving throw against the new effect until the end of their next turn.&nbsp;I hope this helps.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mesh Hong, post: 5253216, member: 73463"] Welcome to EnWorld. It is also worth pointing out that some effects have the rider "on first failed save", these additional effects only activate on the saving throw made at the end of your turn [B]not[/B] from any additional saving throws that may be granted by powers or an allies heal check. example: .....on hit target is slowed (save ends), first failed save target is instead immobilised (save ends), second failed save target is unconscious (save ends) If a target subject to this was granted a saving throw from (say) [B]Shake it Off[/B] (Warlord level 2 utility power - target makes a saving throw with a bonus equal to the warlords charisma bonus) and failed the saving throw then they would still be slowed. If the same PC then at the end of their turn failed the saving throw verses the effect then they would be immobilised instead of slowed. ---- Some effects also have aftereffects, these happen immediately whenever the target succeeds in making the saving throw. example: ....on hit target is immobilised (save ends) aftereffect target is slowed (save ends) In this case whenever the target succeeds in their saving throw they are no longer immobilised but are slowed (save ends) instead. If this is from a saving throw made at the end of the targets turn then they do not get to make a saving throw against the new effect until the end of their next turn. I hope this helps. [/QUOTE]

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