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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Anselyn" data-source="post: 5793949" data-attributes="member: 55456">That's an unfair representation of their position. They say that it fixes the problem of not finding the clue so that the players can get on with solving the mystery.  In fact, I'm not sure what you think "solve clue" means; you use clues to solve the bigger puzzle of the story.  Your helpful list  does show how players can fail to act on data they have been given but at least then the problem is with the players not with the system. Also, if the players are having a problem with (4) then I'd think that the ref is being unhelpful if this means some hoop-jumping interpretatin of saying the right thing is required. After all, you don't need to be a martial artist to get to roll to hit in D&D.</blockquote>