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<blockquote data-quote="Goonalan" data-source="post: 5208505" data-attributes="member: 16069">Another 4e hater here, after I DM'ed my regular playing group straight into a TPK (KOTS- Irontooth), our first TPK in 20-something years of gaming- we all hated 4e. Never again... Never, ever... ever.And then I played again, and then again- and as a DM it's so easy to throw something together quite quickly, of course I had to get all new players but that went okay as well. My present players Cleave and 'Insertpowernamehere' all the time, but they also still swing from the rafters, get involved in fist fights with metal dragons and roleplay up the wazoo. So different but the same.And read the books- read the books, I haven't read a rules book all the way through since, ahem... actually I've never read a rule book all the way through and I've just counted I have 22 hardbook 4e books on my shelf, all of which I've read the bit that I've needed to know at the time I've needed to know it.You're not supposed to read them all the way through anyway- are you. Who could possibly remember all that nonsense anyway.And the stuff about the errata having made 4e into 4.5e, sorry but what errata- never seen it, didn't even know it existed.I'm not big on rules in the real world and I don't need to keep up with whatever missive WOTC are sending out at the time, just play it and fix the bits you don't like.Isn't there a rule that says something like 'and if you don't like the rule then ignore it...' See I remembered that one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Goonalan, post: 5208505, member: 16069"] Another 4e hater here, after I DM'ed my regular playing group straight into a TPK (KOTS- Irontooth), our first TPK in 20-something years of gaming- we all hated 4e. Never again... Never, ever... ever. And then I played again, and then again- and as a DM it's so easy to throw something together quite quickly, of course I had to get all new players but that went okay as well. My present players Cleave and 'Insertpowernamehere' all the time, but they also still swing from the rafters, get involved in fist fights with metal dragons and roleplay up the wazoo. So different but the same. And read the books- read the books, I haven't read a rules book all the way through since, ahem... actually I've never read a rule book all the way through and I've just counted I have 22 hardbook 4e books on my shelf, all of which I've read the bit that I've needed to know at the time I've needed to know it. You're not supposed to read them all the way through anyway- are you. Who could possibly remember all that nonsense anyway. And the stuff about the errata having made 4e into 4.5e, sorry but what errata- never seen it, didn't even know it existed. I'm not big on rules in the real world and I don't need to keep up with whatever missive WOTC are sending out at the time, just play it and fix the bits you don't like. Isn't there a rule that says something like 'and if you don't like the rule then ignore it...' See I remembered that one. [/QUOTE]

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