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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5208655" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Hey, so a Daytonian eh? I grew up in Beavercreek. Haven't been back in years, but D&D was pretty big back there in the late 70's. Fun times.</p><p></p><p>There are plenty of people that didn't find 4e to their taste, though honestly I think a large number of them never actually played it. Ah well, their loss IMHO.</p><p></p><p>Its a really good solid system that we find to be a lot of fun. Many niggling issues that existed in previous editions have been addressed. PCs are all now quite close to the same power level vs the old days when fighters and rogues sort of stopped mattering much after 6th level or so. You can make a MUCH larger range of characters than you could in AD&D, which is nice. Characters start out a bit more capable than in the old days and the game plays better at really high and really low levels than AD&D generally did. The core mechanics of the game are more sensible and more consistent, so a lot more stuff can be done without totally winging it. There are very few arbitrary limitations anymore, your wizard can swing a sword if he wants and there are no level limits or racial class restrictions and whatnot, which I find to be nice.</p><p></p><p>From a DMing standpoint the encounter design system is remarkably solid, monsters are easy to run and highly customizable, etc. Moving a lot of the more open ended uses of magic into rituals is a nice feature as well. Its easy to create 'plot magic' in the form of rituals for instance. A lot of 'plot busters' either don't exist or are more under the control of the DM (no more Detect Lies or Detect Evil creating awkward plot problems for instance, and strategic teleportation is more limited yet still useful).</p><p></p><p>Overall I like running it. Games play well, the combat system is a lot of fun and overall the game seems to be an improvement. There are some subtle differences compared with AD&D but its still basically the same sort of game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5208655, member: 82106"] Hey, so a Daytonian eh? I grew up in Beavercreek. Haven't been back in years, but D&D was pretty big back there in the late 70's. Fun times. There are plenty of people that didn't find 4e to their taste, though honestly I think a large number of them never actually played it. Ah well, their loss IMHO. Its a really good solid system that we find to be a lot of fun. Many niggling issues that existed in previous editions have been addressed. PCs are all now quite close to the same power level vs the old days when fighters and rogues sort of stopped mattering much after 6th level or so. You can make a MUCH larger range of characters than you could in AD&D, which is nice. Characters start out a bit more capable than in the old days and the game plays better at really high and really low levels than AD&D generally did. The core mechanics of the game are more sensible and more consistent, so a lot more stuff can be done without totally winging it. There are very few arbitrary limitations anymore, your wizard can swing a sword if he wants and there are no level limits or racial class restrictions and whatnot, which I find to be nice. From a DMing standpoint the encounter design system is remarkably solid, monsters are easy to run and highly customizable, etc. Moving a lot of the more open ended uses of magic into rituals is a nice feature as well. Its easy to create 'plot magic' in the form of rituals for instance. A lot of 'plot busters' either don't exist or are more under the control of the DM (no more Detect Lies or Detect Evil creating awkward plot problems for instance, and strategic teleportation is more limited yet still useful). Overall I like running it. Games play well, the combat system is a lot of fun and overall the game seems to be an improvement. There are some subtle differences compared with AD&D but its still basically the same sort of game. [/QUOTE]
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