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<blockquote data-quote="Uller" data-source="post: 1454219" data-attributes="member: 413">Okay...looking at the rules again (3.0 in this case)...You CAN make an AoO after a run.&nbsp; Flat-footed characters lose their dex bonus to AC and can't make AoOs.&nbsp; A Run is a Full Round Action.&nbsp; You lose your dex bonus to AC (I presume only during your turn...but it could be argued that it is until your next turn I guess) but it says nothing about AoOs.So...if character B runs, A gets an AoO.&nbsp; Then A runs next to B.&nbsp; B runs again and A gets another AoO...okay, that works for me...With B losing its dex bonus, that makes it a little easier to try to grapple or trip to prevent it from getting away.Now for the double move.&nbsp; If B double moves, what is A to do?&nbsp; One thing I guess is that A could run and get around B.&nbsp; This could at least corral B a little by making him move in a different direction.&nbsp; However, B could still possibly move such that A can't charge so it becomes impossible for A to catch him...but maybe this is the rare case.It seems to me that the rules fall down here.&nbsp; If two characters have the same speed, then disengagement should always be difficult.&nbsp; Maybe the 3.5 withdraw action should only allow you to move at your speed, not twice speed.&nbsp; That way, a pursuer can move up and attack again.&nbsp; So if you're going to run away, you probably should use a run action...if you're just disengaging, then it should be difficult to move out of attack range AND avoid an AoO without help unless your foe is considerably slower than you are...That's how I see it anyway...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Uller, post: 1454219, member: 413"] Okay...looking at the rules again (3.0 in this case)...You CAN make an AoO after a run. Flat-footed characters lose their dex bonus to AC and can't make AoOs. A Run is a Full Round Action. You lose your dex bonus to AC (I presume only during your turn...but it could be argued that it is until your next turn I guess) but it says nothing about AoOs. So...if character B runs, A gets an AoO. Then A runs next to B. B runs again and A gets another AoO...okay, that works for me...With B losing its dex bonus, that makes it a little easier to try to grapple or trip to prevent it from getting away. Now for the double move. If B double moves, what is A to do? One thing I guess is that A could run and get around B. This could at least corral B a little by making him move in a different direction. However, B could still possibly move such that A can't charge so it becomes impossible for A to catch him...but maybe this is the rare case. It seems to me that the rules fall down here. If two characters have the same speed, then disengagement should always be difficult. Maybe the 3.5 withdraw action should only allow you to move at your speed, not twice speed. That way, a pursuer can move up and attack again. So if you're going to run away, you probably should use a run action...if you're just disengaging, then it should be difficult to move out of attack range AND avoid an AoO without help unless your foe is considerably slower than you are... That's how I see it anyway... [/QUOTE]

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