D&D 4E I'm Not Sure I Can Afford 4e

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So I've done a lot of thinking, and I've decided that while 4e might not be what I, personally, look for in a game called D&D, it looks like it could be a good game in its own right. Certainly, I want to be familiar with it and enjoy the craft that went into it.

I just don't know if I want to get in. It looks like it's going to be quite a parade of sourcebooks. That's hardly a surprise.... it worked for Rifts, which is a (IMO) pretty clunky game, so it should definitely work for something that's pretty good. It could lead to a kind of AD&D 2e kind of expansion, but hopefully with better quality control.

I don't know if I really want to buy a D&D book every three months to stay current. And sure, I could just buy a few and enjoy them. But I know I'm already leery of laying down money for a D&D without a bard or a gnome. How many sourcebooks will I need, just to "catch up?" It's definitely something that's kept me away from Warhammer FRP for a while, as it's gone from a one book game to a good corebook with monsters, magic items, and such spread out among several sourcebooks, so now it's more of a four book game.

I don't even spend that much on GURPS, and I feel GURPS books generally have a much wider utility than D&D add ons. Do I want to spend $200 a year to pound orcs?

It's also occured to me that this may be the last D&D. The print industry is changing, and it remains to be seen whether tabletop RPGs will survice in their current form until the 2020s. I feel kind of uncertain about investing in what might turn out to be the swan song of RPGs. There are games I've snapped up everything I could as they went out of print, but I have a hard time imaginining falling in love with D&D 4e that way. It looks fun, but it just doesn't have the kind of personal grab for me that some other games do, like Talislanta, Torg, and so forth. If that is the case, if this is it, I can probably save myself a few nickels by picking the books up used over the next few years and completing my collection when the whole thing comes to a halt. There are currently more 3.5 books available used, cheap, than I care to own; heck, I've sold off ones I just really didn't like a lot.

I know a lot of people enjoy being able to buy a sourcebook every few months. I just can't get into it. I used to be shocked how much people spent on Rifts (and still do). I own quite a few GURPS books, but even then, I make my purchasing decisions carefully. I've spent maybe $250 on GURPS over the course of three years.
 

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pawsplay said:
I just don't know if I want to get in. It looks like it's going to be quite a parade of sourcebooks.

Um... this was exactly the case with every edition of D&D in the past, as my bookshelf full of 1e/2e/3e and BECM (I don't have Immortals) can attest to.
 

I am turning around some of the same thoughts in my head as well these days.

I have enough D&D 3.5 stuff and d20 stuff and OGL stuff to run adventures for decades. While I'm curious about some of the rules changes in 4e, I'm not sure if I want to get on the train again after I pick up the core books. Of course, they could blow me away and make me mad for more, but....eh. :\

It doesn't help things any that for the first time in my tax-paying career I have to send more than $400 to the Infernal Revenue Service this year. That's pretty much my gaming budget for a year.... :\
 

D&D will last at LEAST the next ten years, and hobbyists will be playing it for decades even if they stop publishing it, in all of its myriad editions.

Unless you're outside the US, you should be able to get the PHBs at less than $25 a pop, if they maintain their pricing on Amazon.

Beyond that, staying "current" is a psychological issue, not a monetary issue, unless you're a DM and you have players with psychological needs to stay current.

Yeah, more is more better, sure, but an inability to fulfill that urge shouldn't detract from the game.

That said, the only thing that matters is what course of action brings you the most joy. If (legally/ethically using) 4E is not that, then I assume I can speak for everyone when I say I wish you the best of luck in finding an activity that you can enjoy in its place. Games are there to bring us joy, and if they fail in that, then seek a better source.
 

pawsplay said:
Do I want to spend $200 a year to pound orcs?
Is that supposed to sound like a lot of money? The real question should be, do you want to spend hundreds of hours reading about and thinking about pounding orcs, when that time could be used to make a lot more than $200.
 

Mourn said:
Um... this was exactly the case with every edition of D&D in the past, as my bookshelf full of 1e/2e/3e and BECM (I don't have Immortals) can attest to.

But you can run D&D basically forever with the 3.5 corebooks, XPH, and one or more monster manuals. Add Complete Warrior and Complete Adventurer to taste. My entire 3.5 collction is worth about $450, and is essentially complete, as far as I am concerned.

And BESM was exactly the OPPOSITE of this case. You had literally the BECMI books, plus a few other sourcebooks, if you wanted them (and most people never bothered). We are talking about a ruleset entirely encapsualted in a single volume, called the Rules Cyclopedia.
 

mmadsen said:
Is that supposed to sound like a lot of money? The real question should be, do you want to spend hundreds of hours reading about and thinking about pounding orcs, when that time could be used to make a lot more than $200.

No, the real question is, "How much game does $200 buy me?"

Also, I've never had problems running 3.5. Apparently, I do it all wrong, because encounter setup has always been easy, NPCs are simple to design, combat is fun, and I like mind flayers just as they are.
 

pawsplay said:
No, the real question is, "How much game does $200 buy me?"

Also, I've never had problems running 3.5. Apparently, I do it all wrong, because encounter setup has always been easy, NPCs are simple to design, combat is fun, and I like mind flayers just as they are.

Then there are no problems here, eh?
 

pawsplay said:
No, the real question is, "How much game does $200 buy me?"

Actually, it sounds like the real question is, "Do I want to switch to a new game system, at all?"

And it sounds like you've already given your answer as, "No."
 

Dude. Go to indie press revolution, and look at how many entire RPGs you can have for 200 USD. I personally recommend the hell out of Burning Wheel if you like relatively low-powered fantasy. I'm probably going to end up with the 4E core books, but I never buy sourcebooks to "stay current." I buy them if I think I want them. But even then, I know from experience I have alternatives if the D&D thing gets too expensive.
 

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