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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 6802335" data-attributes="member: 6716779">Even I do not care that much if a warlord exists I just did not want one in the PHB. My main concerns with it are purely about balance and right now I don't think  you can make a balanced one 9(the BM fighter being the "best" one).  The support classes give up a lot of damage for magil haling or whatever and valor/lore bards are not that good at dealing damage. The warlord would be good at damage (indirectly) via granting attacks which seems to be what people want from the class. Granting attacks is a daily spell resource or short rest battlemaster dice in 5E. Granting at will attacks with healing and other support abilities on top of that by default can't be balanced. It worked in 4E becuase of powers and at will attacks were generally weaker than say at will let alone encounter powers (excluding splat book material and essential classes). A clerics damage for example with weapons is usually a bit meh although they get an extra dice of damage at level 8. A warlord would lack htheir spells but some classes like the Barbarian and maybe hunter ranger will be broken with a warlord in the party especially if it can grant multiple attacks and heal.  It gets even worse if feats are used with the GWM, sharpshooter and the healer feat in particular. Assuming the warlord has a decent amount of healing (Druid levels maybe not life cleric levels), takes healer feat and grants attacks to allies is an out right cleric replacement on steroids. And clerics do not exactly suck in 5E.  I have seen Battlemaster fighters in action (its the best fighter across all levels IMHO beaten at the highest level by the EK and that is a maybe). Even that Noble class that went up on EN5sider was a little crazy if you built your party around it. Most of the classes are good at something though but even if you got a warlord that was right in some parties it would be broken as hell and in other parties somewhat useless.</blockquote>

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