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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6825077" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>1e fighters also got multiple attacks at higher levels straight out of the PHB. They also got the damage boost from exceptional strength. And, they got the best weapons in the game. You're comparing a 1e fighter to later edition fighters, but, that's not a fair comparison. Compare a 1e fighter to a cleric. Better base damage (d8 longsword vs d6 mace), potentially (and who are we kidding, exceptional strength was pretty much default for 1e fighters) +2 to hit and +3-6 to damage. IOW, the fighter was basically doubling the damage of any other class. Thieves might get there once in a while with a backstab, but, certainly not consistently. 1e fighters were the masters of DPR in that system.</p><p></p><p>2e gave fighters a massive boost, but, all that did was keep them in 1st place, not change places. 3e reined back the fighters severely, much to the detriment of the class. There were all sorts of classes that could easily do the same DPR as a fighter and in fact, many of them could out damage the fighter. There's a reason that fighters were seen as a pretty low tier class in 3e. </p><p></p><p>4e is the outlier here, because all the classes were so tightly designed that no one should have been massively out damaging any one else. And, outside of specific builds, they weren't. Fighters weren't doing a lot more damage than anyone else, but, they weren't doing a lot less either.</p><p></p><p>5e has gone back to the pre-4e fighter and made him damage king again. Other than 4e, and even in 4e a DPR fighter was a pretty easy build, fighters have always been DPR focused. What else would they be? They don't get anything else.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6825077, member: 22779"] 1e fighters also got multiple attacks at higher levels straight out of the PHB. They also got the damage boost from exceptional strength. And, they got the best weapons in the game. You're comparing a 1e fighter to later edition fighters, but, that's not a fair comparison. Compare a 1e fighter to a cleric. Better base damage (d8 longsword vs d6 mace), potentially (and who are we kidding, exceptional strength was pretty much default for 1e fighters) +2 to hit and +3-6 to damage. IOW, the fighter was basically doubling the damage of any other class. Thieves might get there once in a while with a backstab, but, certainly not consistently. 1e fighters were the masters of DPR in that system. 2e gave fighters a massive boost, but, all that did was keep them in 1st place, not change places. 3e reined back the fighters severely, much to the detriment of the class. There were all sorts of classes that could easily do the same DPR as a fighter and in fact, many of them could out damage the fighter. There's a reason that fighters were seen as a pretty low tier class in 3e. 4e is the outlier here, because all the classes were so tightly designed that no one should have been massively out damaging any one else. And, outside of specific builds, they weren't. Fighters weren't doing a lot more damage than anyone else, but, they weren't doing a lot less either. 5e has gone back to the pre-4e fighter and made him damage king again. Other than 4e, and even in 4e a DPR fighter was a pretty easy build, fighters have always been DPR focused. What else would they be? They don't get anything else. [/QUOTE]
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