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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8046405" data-attributes="member: 87792">A lot of people will try to shield criticism of the 3e/PF family by overt victim blaming. D&amp;D was designed to be challenge-focused and a team game.Yes, you can arbitrarily start playing baseball with all the fielders sitting down when the pitcher pitches because you find sitting more convenient. But this doesn't mean that doing so is within the spirit of the game. Meanwhile if you're playing princes of the universe, born to be kings, fighting for survival in a world with the darkest power (which is a big part of the D&amp;D experience) then your assertion is that &quot;you can not fight for survival that hard&quot; - something that inhibits the roleplaying of many of us.Yes you can use the 3.X family and not look for bonuses. But this changes your experience to one where you are not taking the challenge seriously either in character or out. Which of course hinders roleplaying unless the challenge isn't intended to be taken seriously.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8046405, member: 87792"] A lot of people will try to shield criticism of the 3e/PF family by overt victim blaming. D&D was designed to be challenge-focused and a team game. Yes, you can arbitrarily start playing baseball with all the fielders sitting down when the pitcher pitches because you find sitting more convenient. But this doesn't mean that doing so is within the spirit of the game. Meanwhile if you're playing princes of the universe, born to be kings, fighting for survival in a world with the darkest power (which is a big part of the D&D experience) then your assertion is that "you can not fight for survival that hard" - something that inhibits the roleplaying of many of us. Yes you [I]can[/I] use the 3.X family and not look for bonuses. But this changes your experience to one where you are not taking the challenge seriously either in character or out. Which of course hinders roleplaying unless the challenge isn't intended to be taken seriously. [/QUOTE]

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