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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Olaf the Stout" data-source="post: 5791170" data-attributes="member: 13703">I'm pretty lucky with my group.  Only 1 player is what I would consider to be a min/maxer.  He definitely creates the strongest PC's from a mechanical sense.Thankfully each PC he plays is very different.  Last campaign he made an Evoker, the campaign before was a heavily armoured Fighter archer. Next campaign he is going to play a Barbarian.He definitely trys to push the boundaries of what I will allow in the game.  For example, he has asked if he can play a Feral Dwarf (Dwarf sub-race with +2 LA from memory) and be able to use the Unearthed Arcana variant rule to buy-back the LA over time.  I said no to both the Feral Dwarf and the LA buy-back.  He did not complain, he just looked at other options instead.Conversely, I had another player than wasn't as much of a min/maxer, but would constantly try and get me to house rule things to his preferences.  When I would refuse he would constantly bring it up and try and get me to change my mind.  This player is no longer in my game and I wasn't sad when he decided to quit.I allow quite a bit in my campaign, but I also let my players know up front that I have the right to veto anything outside the core rulebooks, even after it has been introduced into the game.  Thankfully I haven't had to remove anything from the game due to it being too powerful, but I would if I thought it was breaking the game.The other thing I haven't had to do, but wouldn't hesitate to do so if needed, is to ask the powergamer to dial it back a notch.  Explain to him that, by min/maxing to such an extreme it has created a gulf between his PC and the rest of the party.  The current challenges are no threat to his character and, to try and challenge his PC I would risk killing the other PC's.I'm confident that if I needed to do this my resident powergamer would dial it back without argument, even retro-changing some aspects of his PC.  I could imagine other players not being so accomodating though.Olaf the Stout</blockquote>

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