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<blockquote data-quote="Joker" data-source="post: 6115123" data-attributes="member: 826">Nowhere did I say the need for resources was an anthropocentric viewpoint.&nbsp; That would be silly to think even with my limited knowledge of science.I do say that it is quite possible that their way of looking at the world around them is so different as to be incomprehensible.&nbsp; While becoming the workhorses in the intestines of some giant Martian psychic behemoth may qualify as some sort of commensalist or mutualistic relationship, there is a limit to the our definition of cooperation.Sillyness aside, cooperative relationships in nature are only possible because the two creatures are able to communicate with each other, through chemical triggers, non verbal or verbal communication.I cannot stress enough that unless the Martians are so very similar to us that communication would be extraordinarily difficult.&nbsp; Which would, in the best case, severely hamper our cooperation and in the worst case foster enmity.On your first point.&nbsp; I can't see how you can say that they probably think in a similar way we do.&nbsp; While you can theorize that they had to have the same type of progress in technology as we had this in no way means they think like us.&nbsp; All it means is that there is a slim possibility we can empathize with them and maybe they with us.On your second point.&nbsp; It's very true that diplomacy is cheapest, in the short and usually the long run.&nbsp; However, this level of international diplomacy is fairly recent.&nbsp; It's the product of millennia of conflict.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Joker, post: 6115123, member: 826"] Nowhere did I say the need for resources was an anthropocentric viewpoint. That would be silly to think even with my limited knowledge of science. I do say that it is quite possible that their way of looking at the world around them is so different as to be incomprehensible. While becoming the workhorses in the intestines of some giant Martian psychic behemoth may qualify as some sort of commensalist or mutualistic relationship, there is a limit to the our definition of cooperation. Sillyness aside, cooperative relationships in nature are only possible because the two creatures are able to communicate with each other, through chemical triggers, non verbal or verbal communication. I cannot stress enough that unless the Martians are so very similar to us that communication would be extraordinarily difficult. Which would, in the best case, severely hamper our cooperation and in the worst case foster enmity. On your first point. I can't see how you can say that they probably think in a similar way we do. While you can theorize that they had to have the same type of progress in technology as we had this in no way means they think like us. All it means is that there is a slim possibility we can empathize with them and maybe they with us. On your second point. It's very true that diplomacy is cheapest, in the short and usually the long run. However, this level of international diplomacy is fairly recent. It's the product of millennia of conflict. [/QUOTE]

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