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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 2445221" data-attributes="member: 22779">Now that's an opinion I can get behind 100%.  The "role play" purists really fly up my left nostril.As a question though, can you not be immersive and focused on mechanics at the same time?  For example, a player is playing a rogue.  He makes absolutely certain to build his character around the sneak attack - taking the right feats, maxing out hide, investing in this or that magic trinket to make his sneak attack that much better, whatever - while at the same time using in game elements to justify his choices.  He spends a great deal of time shadowing important people for fun, just to make sure he can sneak with the best of them, he gathers information and talks to this or that person to find someone who he can bribe/blackmail/cajole into making him that ring of blinking, and so on.Why is immersive play and being a wargamer seen as mutually exclusive.  I find that my best role players are my wargamers frequently.</blockquote>