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<blockquote data-quote="Uller" data-source="post: 5991554" data-attributes="member: 413">Last night the party made its way into a room with a pit filled with 15' of water.&nbsp; The mage droped vision of avarice on the bottom of the pool.&nbsp;&nbsp; It hit 3 of the 4 enemies immobilizing them.&nbsp; Only one failed its save to be pulled into the pool.&nbsp; He sustained it so on the secondary attck he hit all those that were still outside the pool, pulling them in. This time they all failed their saves and fell in.&nbsp; None of the immobilized ones made their saves.&nbsp; So now the entire enemy force is at the bottom of the pool and 3 of the 4 are immobilized. The rules for drowning seem lame.&nbsp;&nbsp; 3 minutes before you even have to make an endurance check?&nbsp; &nbsp; It seems in combat if you are trapped under water the check should be immediate and failure should do some HP damage.&nbsp; What do other DMs think?&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't think a couple rounds should kill a PC or a monster but there should be some price.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Uller, post: 5991554, member: 413"] Last night the party made its way into a room with a pit filled with 15' of water. The mage droped vision of avarice on the bottom of the pool. It hit 3 of the 4 enemies immobilizing them. Only one failed its save to be pulled into the pool. He sustained it so on the secondary attck he hit all those that were still outside the pool, pulling them in. This time they all failed their saves and fell in. None of the immobilized ones made their saves. So now the entire enemy force is at the bottom of the pool and 3 of the 4 are immobilized. The rules for drowning seem lame. 3 minutes before you even have to make an endurance check? It seems in combat if you are trapped under water the check should be immediate and failure should do some HP damage. What do other DMs think? I don't think a couple rounds should kill a PC or a monster but there should be some price. [/QUOTE]

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