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<blockquote data-quote="Uller" data-source="post: 5992600" data-attributes="member: 413">Edit: posted this before I read S'mons &quot;ok, sorry&quot; post so it is a bit more argumentative than it should be.../editYes.&nbsp;&nbsp; 3 of the 4 were hit (so they were immobilized). One failed its save and went in, immobilized at the bottom of the pool.&nbsp; Round 2 the mage sustained it and hit all 3 outside the pool.&nbsp; All three failed their saves.&nbsp;&nbsp; I make al attack damage and save rolls publicly and remembered the +2 save for the one elite.&nbsp; The monsters were just rolling horribly.&nbsp; My expectation was for maybe one of the monsters to get stuck at the bottom...the rolls said otherwise...good for the PCs.&nbsp; It was a level 7 fight for level 5 pcs. Now they have the resources to press on and crush their foes in what looks to be a level 8 encounter. If the fight went as expected I think they would have cut their losses and went home having discovered the info they needed.&nbsp;&nbsp; Kudos to them.So how am I not using the rules as written?&nbsp;&nbsp; Would I do this to the pcs?&nbsp; Absolutley.&nbsp;&nbsp; Opening adventure of the campaign was KotS...the fighter fell in the pit to be chewed on by rats and lit on fire by goblin fire bombs for three rounds.&nbsp; When on of the other pcs tried to help him out I had one of the goblins try to push him in with a bull rush. Admittedly I don't go for the TPK with creative tactics but I think it is important for PCs to be killed occasionally when they make tactical or operational mistakes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Uller, post: 5992600, member: 413"] Edit: posted this before I read S'mons "ok, sorry" post so it is a bit more argumentative than it should be.../edit Yes. 3 of the 4 were hit (so they were immobilized). One failed its save and went in, immobilized at the bottom of the pool. Round 2 the mage sustained it and hit all 3 outside the pool. All three failed their saves. I make al attack damage and save rolls publicly and remembered the +2 save for the one elite. The monsters were just rolling horribly. My expectation was for maybe one of the monsters to get stuck at the bottom...the rolls said otherwise...good for the PCs. It was a level 7 fight for level 5 pcs. Now they have the resources to press on and crush their foes in what looks to be a level 8 encounter. If the fight went as expected I think they would have cut their losses and went home having discovered the info they needed. Kudos to them. So how am I not using the rules as written? Would I do this to the pcs? Absolutley. Opening adventure of the campaign was KotS...the fighter fell in the pit to be chewed on by rats and lit on fire by goblin fire bombs for three rounds. When on of the other pcs tried to help him out I had one of the goblins try to push him in with a bull rush. Admittedly I don't go for the TPK with creative tactics but I think it is important for PCs to be killed occasionally when they make tactical or operational mistakes. [/QUOTE]

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