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<blockquote data-quote="EarthSeraphEdna" data-source="post: 4129058" data-attributes="member: 49309"><p>Okay, there seem to be some major balance problems with a few of the spell-like abilities of immortals, both from the divinity templates themselves and portfolios (especially double portfolios due to the standard + swift activation times):</p><p></p><p>1.) The <em>Greater Dispel Magic</em> SLA that immortals and above get is rather useless, because the maximum caster level bonus you can ever get on your dispel check for <em>Greater Dispel Magic</em> is +20.</p><p></p><p>2.) The Good portfolio's <em>Holy Word</em> SLA, the Evil portfolio's <em>Blasphemy</em> SLA, the Law portfolio's <em>Dictum</em> SLA, and the <em>Chaos</em> portfolio's (also the Music portfolio's) <em>Word of Chaos</em> SLA are all overpowered. Your caster level for all spells and spell-like abilities is equal to your HD + your divine rank, so your caster level will always be higher than your HD. <em>Holy Word/Blasphemy/Dictum/Word of Chaos</em> kills all enemies that don't match the corresponding alignment if their HD is equal to or less than your caster level - 10. So a in a fight between a 60 HD intermediate deity (caster level 72nd) with the Law portfolio and a 60 HD intermediate deity with the Music portfolio, it's just going to be Russian Roulette to see who penetrates the other guy's spell resistance for <em>Dictum</em> or <em>Word of Chaos</em>.</p><p></p><p>3.) Having at least 17 HD and double-Thievery or double-Time portfolios gets you <em>Time Stop</em> at will as a standard or <strong>swift</strong> action. Need I say more? As a 17 HD hero-deity (a "mere" ECL 32) with double-Thievery or double-Time portfolios, you'll be able to wipe the floor with anybody that doesn't have Spell Stowaway <em>(Time Stop)</em> or Slipstream. I know that Spell Stowaway <em>(Time Stop)</em> costs only an epic feat slot, but not every immortal is capable of casting Time Stop or willing to take Nescience just to qualify for Spell Stowaway <em>(Time Stop)</em>, and it shouldn't be that every immortal is forced to take this epic feat even though it doesn't make sense for them.</p><p></p><p>4.) Don't you think that the Charity portfolio's <em>Wish</em> SLA and the Luck portfolio's <em>Miracle</em> SLA are a bit too much? Sure, immortals can toss around a daily number of <em>Wishes</em> without the xp cost due to their divinity templates, but <em>Wish</em> and <em>Miracle</em> beat everything but Time Stop in terms of the most powerful 9th-level portfolio SLA. And just like the Time Stop portfolio SLA, a 17 HD hero-deity (ECL 32) with double-Charity or double-Luck portfolios can cast <em>Wish/Miracle</em> at will as a standard or <strong>swift</strong> action, all without the xp cost.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EarthSeraphEdna, post: 4129058, member: 49309"] Okay, there seem to be some major balance problems with a few of the spell-like abilities of immortals, both from the divinity templates themselves and portfolios (especially double portfolios due to the standard + swift activation times): 1.) The [I]Greater Dispel Magic[/I] SLA that immortals and above get is rather useless, because the maximum caster level bonus you can ever get on your dispel check for [I]Greater Dispel Magic[/I] is +20. 2.) The Good portfolio's [I]Holy Word[/I] SLA, the Evil portfolio's [I]Blasphemy[/I] SLA, the Law portfolio's [I]Dictum[/I] SLA, and the [I]Chaos[/I] portfolio's (also the Music portfolio's) [I]Word of Chaos[/I] SLA are all overpowered. Your caster level for all spells and spell-like abilities is equal to your HD + your divine rank, so your caster level will always be higher than your HD. [I]Holy Word/Blasphemy/Dictum/Word of Chaos[/I] kills all enemies that don't match the corresponding alignment if their HD is equal to or less than your caster level - 10. So a in a fight between a 60 HD intermediate deity (caster level 72nd) with the Law portfolio and a 60 HD intermediate deity with the Music portfolio, it's just going to be Russian Roulette to see who penetrates the other guy's spell resistance for [I]Dictum[/I] or [I]Word of Chaos[/I]. 3.) Having at least 17 HD and double-Thievery or double-Time portfolios gets you [I]Time Stop[/I] at will as a standard or [B]swift[/B] action. Need I say more? As a 17 HD hero-deity (a "mere" ECL 32) with double-Thievery or double-Time portfolios, you'll be able to wipe the floor with anybody that doesn't have Spell Stowaway [I](Time Stop)[/I] or Slipstream. I know that Spell Stowaway [I](Time Stop)[/I] costs only an epic feat slot, but not every immortal is capable of casting Time Stop or willing to take Nescience just to qualify for Spell Stowaway [I](Time Stop)[/I], and it shouldn't be that every immortal is forced to take this epic feat even though it doesn't make sense for them. 4.) Don't you think that the Charity portfolio's [I]Wish[/I] SLA and the Luck portfolio's [I]Miracle[/I] SLA are a bit too much? Sure, immortals can toss around a daily number of [I]Wishes[/I] without the xp cost due to their divinity templates, but [I]Wish[/I] and [I]Miracle[/I] beat everything but Time Stop in terms of the most powerful 9th-level portfolio SLA. And just like the Time Stop portfolio SLA, a 17 HD hero-deity (ECL 32) with double-Charity or double-Luck portfolios can cast [I]Wish/Miracle[/I] at will as a standard or [B]swift[/B] action, all without the xp cost. [/QUOTE]
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