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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EarthSeraphEdna" data-source="post: 4145831" data-attributes="member: 49309">Even if there are no such things as immortals of unique races, there are cases where the base race of an immortal is a complete guess, or where the base race is something that hasn't been statted up before. Take Atropus, for example; you could make a case for a genius loci being the base, but a genius loci is a 70 HD ooze with no listed advancement. Take the 320 HD first one Death (as statted up by Alzrius) as another example; what would his base race be, and why is his manifestation Gargantuan (this question is more directed towards Alzrius)?In your system, aren't the HD/size advancements for creatures with natural physiologies replaced by the minimum/maximum HD rules in the Epic Bestiary? So a minotaur with 6-7 racial HD would be Large, a minotaur with 8-15 racial HD would be Huge, a minotaur with 16-31 racial HD would be Gargantuan, and so on and so forth. Wouldn't this mean that a minotaur immortal with 20 outsider HD would be Gargantuan, and a minotaur immortal with 100 outsider HD would be Titanic? Or is there a size limitation for how big your outsider HD can make you?I noticed that there was a jump in size from ophanim (Gargantuan at 88 HD) to cherubim (Macro-Fine at 133 HD). Are you saying that sidereals can be at the maximum size category that their outsider HD allows?By the way, it's only now I notice that the HD for each type of angel matches perfectly with the concept of them being avatars and aspects of the 266 HD Metatron. Very clever, I must say.See what I said about Atropus and Death above. Well, I think it would make sense for them to count as long quadrupeds for the purpose of space, reach, carrying capacity, and base land speed. A cube or sphere obviously takes up only as much space as its diameter, a cube or sphere is theoretically even more stable than a quadruped (hence the "quadruped" carrying capacity), and they've got a lot of surface area for wings or other methods of flight (hence the "quadruped" base land speed, which is then tripled for land speed).Is there any way for an immortal to have built-in flight other than Sky Walker or Abnormality (Wings)? Sky Walker is easily shot down with the Nullification cosmic ability, and wings on a planetoid-like immortal seem a bit silly. Although I guess you could take away the actual "wings" and make Abnormality (Wings) give the immortal some other method of flight.Would a sidereal giant like Surtur count as "monstrous", or would it have to be less humanoid and more quadrupedal?</blockquote>

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