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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EarthSeraphEdna" data-source="post: 4146007" data-attributes="member: 49309">Then how do you determine the base size category of an immortal before any Divine Immensities are taken into account? I'm looking for some clear-cut rules on this, because the base size category of an immortal seems to be arbitrarily eyeballed off whatever seems right. No, I'm asking how the base size category of an immortal is determined. I'm asking Alzrius as to why death is specifically Gargantuan size, and how that size category was figured out. I was asking about the size categories, not the HD. Elohims are Large, malakims are Huge, kyriotates and ophanims are Gargantuan, and cherubims and seraphims are Macro-Fine. Is the sudden jump from Gargantuan to Macro-Fine because sidereals can be of the biggest size category that their HD qualifies them for (even before any Divine Immensities)? Would that make Metatron's default size category Macro-Diminutive then, because Metatron has 266 outsider HD, and being naturally Macro-Diminutive requires a minimum of 256 HD?But an immortal obviously has a "default" size category, the size category used for when Divine Immensity cannot be applied. After all, Divine Immensity can get disabled by Dead Zone or Divine Nullification, both of which are fairly solid transcendental abilities. This is why determining the default size category of an immortal (before any Divine Immensities are taken into account) is important.A much smaller spherical immortal would have to roll itself around on the ground if it didn't have a fly speed though.Half-dragons get a natural bite attack that they can use even while not grappling. They can even make a bite as a secondary natural attack while making a full attack with a weapon.</blockquote>

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