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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EarthSeraphEdna" data-source="post: 4146666" data-attributes="member: 49309">So basically, an immortal starts off as Medium, and then he can spend X divine ability slots to permanently increase his size by X size categories (though he must meet the minimum HD to "naturally" be of a given size category), thus indirectly using "Divine Immensity". For example, a 100 HD greater deity starts off at Medium, and can spend 5 divine ability slots to make himself naturally and non-supernaturally Titanic size, though he couldn't spend 6 divine ability slots to make himself Macro-Fine because he doesn't have 128 outsider HD. Tetrad high lords and above can break the minimum HD rules though, but only to meet the minimum size category as dictated by their template.The balancing factor is that taking actual Divine Immensities lets you resize yourself as needed (taking 4 divine immensities as a Medium creature lets you resize yourself anywhere from Fine to Colossal), but you revert to Medium size whenever you are subjected to the Dead Zone or Divine Nullification transcendental abilities.Would that be a fair way to handle the "default" size category of an immortal?On a vaguely-related note, when an immortal takes the Swarm Shape cosmic ability, does he retain his original space, or is his space set to a 10-foot cube just like any other swarm? If it's the latter, then is he still immune to the weapon damage of Titanic and larger immortals? According to the Epic Bestiary, a creature's attacks cover an X-foot cube, where X is the creature's AC/attack penalty from his size category. Titanic creatures have a -16 AC/attack penalty, so their attacks cover a 16-foot cube on average. I find it hard to believe that a Titanic immortal like Surtur can't squash a 10-foot cube of bugs with his fist, his foot, or the flat of his sword.</blockquote>

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