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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EarthSeraphEdna" data-source="post: 4163373" data-attributes="member: 49309">Okay, so since Superior Summoning and Perfect Summoning end up letting you summon creatures more powerful than you even without the rules for outsider advancement, and since Improved Summoning grants something that's very common in the immortal levels anyway, why not revise them to give feats and divine/cosmic abilities instead?Option A:Improved Summoning: Grants all summoned creatures a bonus feat of your choice. The granted feat is chosen at the time this feat is taken, and cannot be changed. The creatures need not meet the prerequisites of the feat, but you need to meet them.Superior Summoning: Grants all summoned creatures a bonus divine ability of your choice. The granted divine ability is chosen at the time this divine ability is taken, and cannot be changed. The creatures need not meet the prerequisites of the divine ability, but you need to meet them.Perfect Summoning: Grants all summoned creatures a bonus cosmic ability of your choice. The granted cosmic ability is chosen at the time this cosmic ability is taken, and cannot be changed. The creatures need not meet the prerequisites of the cosmic ability, but you need to meet them.Option B:Improved Summoning: As Option A?Superior Summoning: As Option A, except grants 3 feats instead of 1 divine ability.Perfect Summoning: As Option A, except grants 3 divine abilities instead of 1 cosmic ability.Option C:Improved Summoning: As Option A?Superior Summoning: As Option A, except grants 2 feats instead of 1 divine ability.Perfect Summoning: As Option A, except grants 2 divine abilities instead of 1 cosmic ability.Which would be the most balanced option?EDIT: I think it would be best to impose a hard and fast rule that an immortal can never summon anything with a CR greater than 1/2 the immortal's HD + the immortal's divine rank, just like the limit Adjuration imposes. With enough caster level boosts (from the Magic portfolio, from the Archmage or Hierophant prestige class, and from the paragon template granted by the Lord of Perfection cosmic ability) and enough Automatic Metamagic Capacities, it's already possible to heighten summon monster ix high enough to summon a creature with a higher CR than your CR, even without any HD multipliers.</blockquote>

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