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<blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 771110" data-attributes="member: 2358">That's what I'm saying.&nbsp; The party had NO CHANCE.&nbsp; They got trounced EASILY.&nbsp; It was like a hill giant agianst a Level 3 party or something.&nbsp; I posted how the fight went over at the other thread.I don't like things being divided up like this, it's aggravating keeping track of two threads that cover mainlt the same material.Anyway, between Plymorph Other, Lightning Bolt, Polymorph Self, and Stoneskin, the party got trounced badly.&nbsp; Heck, they had no way to bypass the DR of the Stoneskin, and the Adepts were able to deal out loads of damage by turning into Fire Giants and wielding their dinky +1 weapons effectively against the Vampire.What makes it even more insane is that I rate those Templates LESS then you do, which means they had more levels and stuff (I was going for a Level 12 party, and I place Vampire at +5, Half-Dragon at +3), so they should have been, by your system, FAR more powerful than I originally intended.To be honest, I think thisbit of playtesting goes a long way to showing that you overestimated the power of at least the Vampire Template and that you severely overestimate the ability scores.Any which way, the thing is, if you ALREADY judged Adepts that high, then you need to tone down the other stuff, because the party in question had about a snowball's chance in Hell at winning this battle.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anubis, post: 771110, member: 2358"] That's what I'm saying. The party had NO CHANCE. They got trounced EASILY. It was like a hill giant agianst a Level 3 party or something. I posted how the fight went over at the other thread. I don't like things being divided up like this, it's aggravating keeping track of two threads that cover mainlt the same material. Anyway, between Plymorph Other, Lightning Bolt, Polymorph Self, and Stoneskin, the party got trounced badly. Heck, they had no way to bypass the DR of the Stoneskin, and the Adepts were able to deal out loads of damage by turning into Fire Giants and wielding their dinky +1 weapons effectively against the Vampire. What makes it even more insane is that I rate those Templates LESS then you do, which means they had more levels and stuff (I was going for a Level 12 party, and I place Vampire at +5, Half-Dragon at +3), so they should have been, by your system, FAR more powerful than I originally intended. To be honest, I think thisbit of playtesting goes a long way to showing that you overestimated the power of at least the Vampire Template and that you severely overestimate the ability scores. Any which way, the thing is, if you ALREADY judged Adepts that high, then you need to tone down the other stuff, because the party in question had about a snowball's chance in Hell at winning this battle. [/QUOTE]

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