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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 775557" data-attributes="member: 326">Hi Anubis mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />We didn't settle anything as far as I recall. I was intrigued by your idea, but these things have to be investigated.I already stated my case. Either we incorporate ability scores into CR for EVERYTHING or NOTHING. Otherwise all the monster CRs are about 15% too high. 15% is not much in the grand scheme of things but it will be noticably wrong....I don't like being wrong.  Not so.The problem is I can't say a 32nd-level character with all 18 stats is still CR 32 and at the same time so is a Pit Fiend.   Something like that.Its a leap of faith though, rather than scientific process. However, it does have some advantages otherwise I wouldn't be considering it...Firstly it circumnavigates the question of what ability scores are factored into CR (I am not happy with rating epic feats into CR, also the +1/4 Levels is redundant because I already equated that into Class Levels). Secondly it simplifies CR for PCs and NPCs, so that we get that comfortable +1 CR/Level. No, I had to do that anyway, the Wealth modifier was flawed therefore all Level and HD mods were flawed.The flipside is that a character with all 18s in ability scores IS tougher than a character with all 10s. We would just be guilty of ignoring that facts (though we would be in good company because everyone else ignores it as well). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />I hope you have as much fun with spell-like abilities as you did last night! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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