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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 782017" data-attributes="member: 326">Hi Anubis mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />...I know Eldorian already replied making similar points but lets just double check everything:Okay.Note that the fighter is probably the best foil against this first factor Anubis could have picked. Any-non fighter type class and we are way ahead.At best you could have +1 (but I suppose we should remove the equipment factor then) meaning that any class other than a fighter type is still behind.Again note that the fighter is probably the best foil against my argument here. Any non-fighter type class is lagging well behind.Again note that the fighter is probably the best foil against my argument here. Any non-fighter type class is lagging well behind.Not at all. At best you can officially only have a +1 Cloak of Resistance. Remember a +2 cloak would be 4000 GP which is more than 25% of the characters total wealth.Which means every class is behind on saves (even if you dish out cloaks of resistance like confetti)....and we know how much store you put into saving throws. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Certainly, but all of his DCs will be lower by at least 2.Every bit of evidence is pertinent to the whole.I think Eldorian already covered this one well enough. I was going to give it even, but it seems our 1st-level character is stronger in this department too.Again Eldorian already outlined this fairly.You have less than double for d4 HD; double exactly for d6 HD; and slightly more for other HD figures. Therefore my supposition of 'approximately double' was spot on.Its certainly the biggest balancing factor, up to now we were way ahead.We already included these above.I'll only ask this favour once...please, please, never go to Las Vegas. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />  The Ogre actually works out at CR 4 using the updated system.Once I fixed the wealth problem, everything fell into line.  Ker-ching! So you are telling me it does now work!? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Nonsense. Remember of course that we are in no way adding ability scores that take advantage of the fighters specialities - yet we are still getting comparable results!</blockquote>

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