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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 783514" data-attributes="member: 2358">Ogre as CR 4?  Well considering a Level 1 character with all 18s will be CR 5, this still proves your system wrong.Hell, just the fact that NONE of the classes use *all* of the ability scores in significant ways proved you wrong as well.  Every piece of evidence goes to show that ability scores, although they "matter", they do NOT effect CR or any other such rating.You say it works at all levels, and I have proven you wrong time and again.  Get over it!  Take out the ability scores and move on!  You can't win!Sheesh! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></blockquote>