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<blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 746997" data-attributes="member: 2358">UK, I think that regardless of my opinions of the CR value of skill bonuses (I still don't think 5 skill points is worth 1 ability point . . . If my DM offered be a feat per 5 skill points, I'd be loading up!), I do believe you are wholly defeated on the Skill Focus topic.Forget the other stuff.&nbsp; Concentration alone breaks your version of Skill Focus.&nbsp; With Skill Focus in concentration, a spellcaster will ALWAYS AUTOMATICALLY SUCCEED when casting on the defensive, starting at Level 1!&nbsp; That's ridiculous!&nbsp; Yeah, I know high level characters can do it, but they're *high level characters*.Skill Focus is not &quot;a degree in the skill&quot;.&nbsp; It's more like having a few extra practice hours at the skill.&nbsp; MOST feats are okay as-is, including most epic feats.&nbsp; Hell, even Devastating Critical turns out to be balanced.&nbsp; Oh, and Skill Focus isn't NEAR as meaningless as Endurance or Run, so that excuse don't hold water.&nbsp; Skill Focus should be +2, equivilant to a circumstance bonus.&nbsp; That is what it is BALANCED at.As for CR value, UK proposes 0.2 per 10 points I propose 0.2 per 20 points.&nbsp; In this case, perhaps 15 is the correct number, halfway between his and my numbers.Anyway, that about says it all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anubis, post: 746997, member: 2358"] UK, I think that regardless of my opinions of the CR value of skill bonuses (I still don't think 5 skill points is worth 1 ability point . . . If my DM offered be a feat per 5 skill points, I'd be loading up!), I do believe you are wholly defeated on the Skill Focus topic. Forget the other stuff. Concentration alone breaks your version of Skill Focus. With Skill Focus in concentration, a spellcaster will ALWAYS AUTOMATICALLY SUCCEED when casting on the defensive, starting at Level 1! That's ridiculous! Yeah, I know high level characters can do it, but they're *high level characters*. Skill Focus is not "a degree in the skill". It's more like having a few extra practice hours at the skill. MOST feats are okay as-is, including most epic feats. Hell, even Devastating Critical turns out to be balanced. Oh, and Skill Focus isn't NEAR as meaningless as Endurance or Run, so that excuse don't hold water. Skill Focus should be +2, equivilant to a circumstance bonus. That is what it is BALANCED at. As for CR value, UK proposes 0.2 per 10 points I propose 0.2 per 20 points. In this case, perhaps 15 is the correct number, halfway between his and my numbers. Anyway, that about says it all. [/QUOTE]

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