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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 1378191" data-attributes="member: 94">Great. So don't count ability scores.Let's see...Doing it "your way" the above party has EXACTLY the same chance of success as they would if their ability scores were straight 3's across the board, straight 10.5's, or straight 18's.That's so obviously wrong I don't know why I bothered to post a reply...EDIT: The solution is somewhere in the multiplication of fractional CR's, I would guess.EDIT2: Which is not to say that you haven't correctly pointed out a problem, Anubis. For starters I think UK under-rates the trog zombie. If the SRD rates them at CR 1, by strict conversion (as opposed to adding factors), that would make them CR 1.5 in the UK system. I am also not a big fan of his rounding methods (Table 1-1, Fractional CR Ratings). My instinct would be to always round up to the next higher value. The orc weighs in at like .922 but UK rounds him down to .5 (resulting in CR 2/3).EDIT3: Don't forget to apply the Golden Rule to the PCs. The purpose of the golden rule is to prevent CR factors from overbalancing a creature based on its level or HD. Unless I did something wrong, that would make their CR's 2.95, 2.7, 2.45, and 2.75 respectively. Total party CR 10.85, adjusted EL 10. (Versus "don't count" method total party CR8, adjusted EL 9).Wulf</blockquote>