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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 1378946" data-attributes="member: 94">Well, as long as you are around, let me try to explain my concerns with the conversion to and from core and UK's system (which I will call SRD and UK).Let's say I want to make a creature to challenge my party of 20th level PCs. In both the SRD and UK version, a 20th level PC is CR20. Characters "convert" 1 to 1. Party A is composed of 20th level PCs in the SRD system, Party B is composed of 20th level PCs in the UK system. If you took these two groups and matched them up, they'd be equal. Now let's say I make a monster from the ground up. Adding up all factors in CR's system I make a critter and it totals up to CR30.In the UK system, I match up Party B to this creature. The party is CR80, adjusted EL 22. The creature is CR30, EL20. Party B vs. Critter is a difference of EL -2. This is a difficult encounter.Now I take this creature and convert it to the SRD system so I can match it up against Party A. To convert UK CR to SRD CR, you multiply by 2/3. This creature is now CR20.Matched up against SRD Party A, this creature is CR20, EL20.Since we have already ascertained that Party A = Party B, what is the explanation for the fact that the creature went from Difficult in UK to Moderate in SRD?This problem is even more pronounced with Dragons, which somehow lose 50% of their CR when they make the conversion from UK to SRD.I hope I have correctly stated the problem. Note that this has an impact only on the CR of creatures. The CR to EL conversion portion of UKs system remains intact. The only question is what CR you should be plugging into that table. The solution is complicated and I don't think I have the full answer, but I would start by adding a final step to the process for adding up CR, and it is simply this:Why not multiply the CR by 2/3 as a final step? Then you have 1-to-1 conversion of CR between systems as well.Ideally, if all of UKs factors were valued correctly, creatures would add up to their SRD CR anyway. Apologies if this has been brought up before, but as someone who is using UKs system to encourage use (and conversion) of d20 material, it's a big problem.Upper_Krust, I am hoping for your comments, here. By all means please don't be your usual terse self! Give me some detailed explanation! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Wulf</blockquote>

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