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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 1380835" data-attributes="member: 326">Hi Wulf mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />That would be mine. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> I disagree with that statement. Firstly the majority of SRD CRs are doctored so that they provide a tougher challenge than the listed figure.Try running four Pit Fiends against a four strong 20th-level Party and then tell me thats a moderate encounter.Yes, however the assumption is flawed. In the SRD CR rules Monsters and PCs/NPCs are treated differently. Monsters use their CR for CR and PCs/NPCs use their ECL for CR. It always was a difficult encounter, the SRD rules are doctored to lower the CR to give a relatively tougher encounter.(I would have mentioned this earlier but I have been out of the CR/EL loop for a month or two and I was a bit rusty) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I wouldn't say they are wrong, but I would not say they are accurate models of what constitutes a moderate encounter. The given CRs are doctored as I have mentioned above. My system parallels Monsters and Characters using the same method. The SRD rules have seperate rules for Monsters and Characters. If the rules were the same then obviously you could use monster CR as ECL (as you can do with character CR). In the words of George Costanza "I'M BACK BABY!!" <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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