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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WalterKovacs" data-source="post: 4761438" data-attributes="member: 63763">From the PHB:  Also, in terms of keywords, there are damage type keywords and effect type keywords. Now, there are problems with looking at the word effect, because it is used multiple ways. For example, there is the "effect" line in a power which is what occurs regardless of a hit or a miss, which is not the kind of effect being talked about here. There is also area of effect and line of effect, which also don't count. However, it seems very clear when they talk about damage and effects from powers that they see damage as being something other than an effect. At what point do they say that damage is just another effect?Most of the the time the refer to damage, and to effects. On a couple of occaisions they refer to them as 'other effects'. Ongoing damage is refered to as being caused by an effect  And you have interpreted damage as being the same rule space as effects. Also, in the case of burning blade, the fire damage on other powers without the fire keyword is caused by the fire effect from burning blade. An effect can do things like modify other powers. It just so happens that the fire effect is a damage effect. It is possible for damage to not watch with the keyword. However, their are keywords that are defined as EITHER damage keywords OR effect keywords. It is possible for their to be damage that is of a type that doesn't match the keyword of the power, but that just means that damage is not subject to resistance or immunity of that type.  Immunity is to a keyword. If that is a damage keyword, it means immunity to damage of that type. If it is to an effect keyword, it means immunity to effects of that type (which, since non-damage effects do not state what type of effect they are, it must be assumed they are tied to the power's keyword).  Immunity applies to damage and effects. If damage were just another effect, than there would be no need to make immunity complicated, it would simply ignore all effects of powers with that keyword. That would include ingoring the fire damage caused by burning blade as even though a new power hitting you is dealing damage, the extra fire damage is still from a power with the fire keyword.</blockquote>

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