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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadrik" data-source="post: 4829534" data-attributes="member: 14506">I was thinking this would translate to all powers, similar to how a +3 proficiency weapon bonus translates to all powers. It is the balancing factor for the lower damage items like wand and orb. Additionally in the case of the wand it counteracts some of the extra bonus gained from the shield, and in the case of the orb it offers the lowest arcane base damage and it also is the most powerful wizard implement.This is precisely how it works and it does not have to be a wand power or staff power, it just is a power that uses an arcane implement or divine implement etc. Yes this is a power up for non-weapon powers. Non-weapon powers are behind the curve in damage anyway, this successfully brings them into the scope of the other powers.There are more than a few 7[W] powers at 25th level plus, so they are already doing 14d6 brutal 1. I think the question is was 7d6 + CHA balanced compared to the many 7[W] powers in the first place.Yes most of the upgrade in power is in the wizard, the warlock cleric and paladin do not change much at all. The clear winner here is the wizard, arguably they really needed the help anyway.I don't own PHB2 but from the one "7" power that you pointed out I don't see as a problem. Could someone outline the other implement using classes in PHB2, for instance which ones they use.Implement users:BardDruidInvokerShamanSorcererWeapon users:AvengerBarbarianWardenSwordmageAlso if there are any new implements that I am not aware of please devise them and add them to the list.</blockquote>

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