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<blockquote data-quote="MoutonRustique" data-source="post: 6682811" data-attributes="member: 22362"><p>The character started out in 3e - as a conjurer of infernal creatures. It was heading in the "True Word" PrC.</p><p></p><p>It was converted to 4e - as a conjurer of infernal creatures (easy re-fluffing of powers)</p><p></p><p>It was converted to 5e (11th level) - and played horribly... (i.e. not as I envisioned my character)</p><p></p><p>Things I'd like to do : </p><p> - conjure creatures to fight for me</p><p> - be able to dominate fiends/demons (need not be combat applicable)</p><p></p><p>Things I've found in play :</p><p> - my conjured elemental(s) was/were incredibly ineffective</p><p> - conjuring is quite difficult to use when not through items or "I know there's a battle coming and have a full minute of time"</p><p> - I contributed in a major fashion during two encounters where I rolled criticals back-to-back-to-back and 8+ on all my damage dice using cantrip attacks (not attributable to class, a commoner rolling like I was would win against Orcus...)</p><p> - <em>banish</em> is much more effective against non-demon/fiends (i.e. 0 in 6)</p><p> - I do not have a moderately reliable way to impose my will on a minor devil (spinagon) even when expending all my strongest resources (and some of my allies')</p><p></p><p>Notes: </p><p> - I'd like to use the rules as presented, if possible.</p><p> - If there are no avenues for what I'm hoping, I'll re-build him as a re-fluffed druid (and go full WoW-warlock demonology!)</p><p> - Advice that amounts to "talk to your DM/house-rule it", while they are meant to be helpful, and are taken as such, are not. I am not a novice player and am quite comfortable talking to my DM about issues. An important thing about bringing issues up however, is doing your ground work <em>before</em>: checking to see if there are avenues other than "rebuild the game/house rule".</p><p></p><p>Are there spell choices that are required to make this work? Someone mentioned <em>Bestow Curse</em> - this does help a good deal for half of what I'm looking for. I'd rather not expend 3rd+ level slots until I break through advantage on saves, but if it gets me a fair shot with my 6th slot, that's something.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoutonRustique, post: 6682811, member: 22362"] The character started out in 3e - as a conjurer of infernal creatures. It was heading in the "True Word" PrC. It was converted to 4e - as a conjurer of infernal creatures (easy re-fluffing of powers) It was converted to 5e (11th level) - and played horribly... (i.e. not as I envisioned my character) Things I'd like to do : - conjure creatures to fight for me - be able to dominate fiends/demons (need not be combat applicable) Things I've found in play : - my conjured elemental(s) was/were incredibly ineffective - conjuring is quite difficult to use when not through items or "I know there's a battle coming and have a full minute of time" - I contributed in a major fashion during two encounters where I rolled criticals back-to-back-to-back and 8+ on all my damage dice using cantrip attacks (not attributable to class, a commoner rolling like I was would win against Orcus...) - [I]banish[/I] is much more effective against non-demon/fiends (i.e. 0 in 6) - I do not have a moderately reliable way to impose my will on a minor devil (spinagon) even when expending all my strongest resources (and some of my allies') Notes: - I'd like to use the rules as presented, if possible. - If there are no avenues for what I'm hoping, I'll re-build him as a re-fluffed druid (and go full WoW-warlock demonology!) - Advice that amounts to "talk to your DM/house-rule it", while they are meant to be helpful, and are taken as such, are not. I am not a novice player and am quite comfortable talking to my DM about issues. An important thing about bringing issues up however, is doing your ground work [I]before[/I]: checking to see if there are avenues other than "rebuild the game/house rule". Are there spell choices that are required to make this work? Someone mentioned [I]Bestow Curse[/I] - this does help a good deal for half of what I'm looking for. I'd rather not expend 3rd+ level slots until I break through advantage on saves, but if it gets me a fair shot with my 6th slot, that's something. [/QUOTE]
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