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<blockquote data-quote="Al" data-source="post: 325811" data-attributes="member: 2486">I disagree.&nbsp; Compare with Cloudkill-Cloudkill: 5th level, save or die for 4 HD creatures.&nbsp; Effective DC of 5th level spellImpress the Masses Sleep: 5th level, save or sleep for 4HD creatures.&nbsp; DC of 5th level spell.Cloudkill is the victor, no?&nbsp; Not to mention its other useful effects, such as instantly killing 3HD and fewer and still damaging creatures that save or have too many HD.As for bypassing guards and the like, I would point out that 9th level casters usually have very little trouble getting past 4th level guards (Suggestion, Dominate Person, Charm Monster et al.)&nbsp;Granted, but not many 11th level characters take on creatures of 2HD or less.&nbsp;Not true.&nbsp; The save DCs are not affected; merely the effective HD of the target creature.&nbsp; And since for every level boosted, average opponent HD is rising by two (since two levels=one spell level) then I cannot see why their saves are adversely affected.Cheiromancer:&nbsp;Cloudkill has a duration of 1 min/level: it is thus affected.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Al, post: 325811, member: 2486"] I disagree. Compare with Cloudkill- Cloudkill: 5th level, save or die for 4 HD creatures. Effective DC of 5th level spell Impress the Masses Sleep: 5th level, save or sleep for 4HD creatures. DC of 5th level spell. Cloudkill is the victor, no? Not to mention its other useful effects, such as instantly killing 3HD and fewer and still damaging creatures that save or have too many HD. As for bypassing guards and the like, I would point out that 9th level casters usually have very little trouble getting past 4th level guards (Suggestion, Dominate Person, Charm Monster et al.) Granted, but not many 11th level characters take on creatures of 2HD or less. Not true. The save DCs are not affected; merely the effective HD of the target creature. And since for every level boosted, average opponent HD is rising by two (since two levels=one spell level) then I cannot see why their saves are adversely affected. Cheiromancer: Cloudkill has a duration of 1 min/level: it is thus affected. [/QUOTE]

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