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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4233965" data-attributes="member: 4937">See, now you make me have to explain myself.&nbsp; This is what I had in mind when I wrote it.1) It's a slam on 1st/2nd edition, where the only reason you'd play a rogue was role play because the class was nigh useless after about 9th level - even with being 2-3 levels ahead of the other classes.&nbsp; It would help if you knew that I almost always played thieves in 1st edition.2) It's a slam on 3rd edition, because while the game got more balanced, you still had to power game extensively to make a rogue playable beyond 13th level, and even then you were often nigh unto useless (no traps, surrounded by undead and constructs).3) It's a slam on 4th edition, in as much as they've decided that the solution to balance is make every character munchkiny right from the start.4) It's a slam on those role playing snobs in the gaming community that claim that look down there noses at 'gamist' players because its so elitist.5) It's a slam on powergamers because they tend to be missing out on half the fun and making life difficult for everyone else by continually trying to beat the game.6) Last but not least, it's a slam on myself, in as much as I'm complaining about the state of the game no matter what it is so clearly I'm never going to be happy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4233965, member: 4937"] See, now you make me have to explain myself. This is what I had in mind when I wrote it. 1) It's a slam on 1st/2nd edition, where the only reason you'd play a rogue was role play because the class was nigh useless after about 9th level - even with being 2-3 levels ahead of the other classes. It would help if you knew that I almost always played thieves in 1st edition. 2) It's a slam on 3rd edition, because while the game got more balanced, you still had to power game extensively to make a rogue playable beyond 13th level, and even then you were often nigh unto useless (no traps, surrounded by undead and constructs). 3) It's a slam on 4th edition, in as much as they've decided that the solution to balance is make every character munchkiny right from the start. 4) It's a slam on those role playing snobs in the gaming community that claim that look down there noses at 'gamist' players because its so elitist. 5) It's a slam on powergamers because they tend to be missing out on half the fun and making life difficult for everyone else by continually trying to beat the game. 6) Last but not least, it's a slam on myself, in as much as I'm complaining about the state of the game no matter what it is so clearly I'm never going to be happy. [/QUOTE]

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