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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 8425519" data-attributes="member: 177">Don't generalize my position, please.  We are talking about Kask and Greenwood, specifically.  What collateral damage are we talking about here?  Can we name any meaningful damage either of these men has taken from the "woke mob" before this video came out?  Thinking yourself a victim is sketchy when you have not actually suffered any real harm.  No, but then I didn't suggest they were, so I find that a pretty big strawman.So, with respect, I have seen no sign prior to this that they've gotten "swept up" with anything.  Greenwood has faced some entirely legitimate criticism for some aspects of his works that were less than great even when they were written.  I've not seen anything much bad said about Kask prior to now.  I mean, neither one of them has been terribly relevant for long time, but that was just natural slipping into irrelevance that happens to most authors over time.From what I see, they are now perhaps sweeping themselves up in things, choosing to vocally join in on a side that they historically haven't been part of - indeed, Greenwood has somewhat defended LGBTQ+ representation before, when there was some controversy around one of the Baldur's Gate games.No.  I have seen no evidence that they have actually been victims, though.  They were made largely irrelevant to the gaming community by time, not by the "woke mob".I don't know that they have, "negative feelings about being swept up".  I've seen no quotes from them specifying that.  I am not going to spend three hours watching a video to find them, when I'm not the one asserting that they have those feelings.I find a fundamental inconsistency with claiming multiple, complex, nuanced sympathies for yourself, while labeling others as, "the woke mob," and blaming them for your problems.</blockquote>

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