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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 8427268" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>This thread and topic in general really (further) illustrates a basic problem: people aren't really listening to each other. We're demonizing each other and pushing each other to extreme, caricatured versions. We're not really hearing or seeing who the "other" is, but railing against our own version of them, which often is quite different than who they actually are, or what they're really saying.</p><p></p><p>This is not to say that there aren't people on the extreme fringes of both sides of whatever spectrum that truly embody the "demon" we're upset with, but that they are far fewer than the larger conversation and resulting conflict would imply. And as someone said in this thread, the problem is far worse on social media and online forums than it is in real life. The result is a war between entrenched positions, not people - just people going along with currents that issue from the extremes.</p><p></p><p>So I think we all need to be careful, take a step back, breathe, and remember that there are real humans on the other side of the avatar and text. If you watch any of the video, you might be reminded that Tim Kask and Ed Greenwood are, before anything else, a couple of older guys who love D&D, and have contributed greatly to its development. If you listen to what they're<em> actually</em> saying, and not presume they really mean something else, they might not seem as objectionable. And this goes for the "other side" (if we must pick sides, which being a gamma lone wolf type, I prefer not to!): most of the objections and desires for changes are derived from real suffering, from concerns about treating people with respect and inclusiveness, not from a desire to control or castigate.</p><p></p><p>So often the message gets lost in the medium. We've entered a McLuhanian nightmare. There has to be a way through this, and I think part of that is said in the above: remembering that there is a person, certainly imperfect, on the other side.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 8427268, member: 59082"] This thread and topic in general really (further) illustrates a basic problem: people aren't really listening to each other. We're demonizing each other and pushing each other to extreme, caricatured versions. We're not really hearing or seeing who the "other" is, but railing against our own version of them, which often is quite different than who they actually are, or what they're really saying. This is not to say that there aren't people on the extreme fringes of both[I] [/I]sides of whatever spectrum that truly embody the "demon" we're upset with, but that they are far fewer than the larger conversation and resulting conflict would imply. And as someone said in this thread, the problem is far worse on social media and online forums than it is in real life. The result is a war between entrenched positions, not people - just people going along with currents that issue from the extremes. So I think we all need to be careful, take a step back, breathe, and remember that there are real humans on the other side of the avatar and text. If you watch any of the video, you might be reminded that Tim Kask and Ed Greenwood are, before anything else, a couple of older guys who love D&D, and have contributed greatly to its development. If you listen to what they're[I] actually[/I] saying, and not presume they really mean something else, they might not seem as objectionable. And this goes for the "other side" (if we must pick sides, which being a gamma lone wolf type, I prefer not to!): most of the objections and desires for changes are derived from real suffering, from concerns about treating people with respect and inclusiveness, not from a desire to control or castigate. So often the message gets lost in the medium. We've entered a McLuhanian nightmare. There has to be a way through this, and I think part of that is said in the above: remembering that there is a person, certainly imperfect, on the other side. [/QUOTE]
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