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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 2606547" data-attributes="member: 5890"><p>I think that this is the problem:</p><p></p><p>The CRs assigned to outsiders are generally on crack. Whoever did it didn't have the foggiest idea what a normal PC would look like, or didn't have the slightest ability in comparing a PC and a monster.</p><p></p><p>Just take a look at half the outsiders in the book. Demons, devils and angels are generally:</p><p></p><p>Equipped with some magic gear.</p><p>Fight as well as a fighter (typically the improved stats, methods of movement and assorted special abilities more than make up for a lack of feats)</p><p>Cast as well (in a combat situation) as a caster (often with unlimited access to damage spells and some utility - unlimited greater teleport basically means that if the monster doesn't want to lose, it just leaves and the PCs can't do anything about it).</p><p>Have a bunch of abilities that it's simply not feasable for a PC to have - DR/alignment is the prime suspect. Usually high DR, and aligned weapons (at least in core rules) are very expensive.</p><p>Oh, and a heap of skill points.</p><p></p><p>Take a look at the erinyes for instance. CR 8. BAB as good as a <strong>9th</strong> level fighter, more skill points than him, all good saves, a list of immunities and resistances as long as my arm, stats that for a PC would be off the charts, A +1 flaming composite mighty+5 longbow. Charm monster, unholy blight, mirror image and greater teleport at will and true seeing always on. A fly speed of 50ft (good). Lots of natural armour. Oh, and the only place she loses out is that she's got ONE feat less than the fighter.</p><p></p><p>And she's a CR lower than him... Excuse me? The same is true for most of the low-to-mid CR demons. No PC fighter is going to have enough magic to emulate what they've got, and yet they're a CR below him.</p><p></p><p>The angels do more or less the same thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 2606547, member: 5890"] I think that this is the problem: The CRs assigned to outsiders are generally on crack. Whoever did it didn't have the foggiest idea what a normal PC would look like, or didn't have the slightest ability in comparing a PC and a monster. Just take a look at half the outsiders in the book. Demons, devils and angels are generally: Equipped with some magic gear. Fight as well as a fighter (typically the improved stats, methods of movement and assorted special abilities more than make up for a lack of feats) Cast as well (in a combat situation) as a caster (often with unlimited access to damage spells and some utility - unlimited greater teleport basically means that if the monster doesn't want to lose, it just leaves and the PCs can't do anything about it). Have a bunch of abilities that it's simply not feasable for a PC to have - DR/alignment is the prime suspect. Usually high DR, and aligned weapons (at least in core rules) are very expensive. Oh, and a heap of skill points. Take a look at the erinyes for instance. CR 8. BAB as good as a [b]9th[/b] level fighter, more skill points than him, all good saves, a list of immunities and resistances as long as my arm, stats that for a PC would be off the charts, A +1 flaming composite mighty+5 longbow. Charm monster, unholy blight, mirror image and greater teleport at will and true seeing always on. A fly speed of 50ft (good). Lots of natural armour. Oh, and the only place she loses out is that she's got ONE feat less than the fighter. And she's a CR lower than him... Excuse me? The same is true for most of the low-to-mid CR demons. No PC fighter is going to have enough magic to emulate what they've got, and yet they're a CR below him. The angels do more or less the same thing. [/QUOTE]
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