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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3882873" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>True Strike <em>is</em> a circumstantial bonus. The circumstance is that there is a spell in effect; after the first attack, which discharges the spell, there is no spell in effect, and you can't gain a bonus from a spell that isn't there.</p><p></p><p>For what it's worth, the 3E Main FAQ addressed this question directly:</p><p><em><strong>If you use the true strike spell and you get a threat, does</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>the +20 bonus from the apply to the critical confirmation</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>roll? Would the +20 bonus apply to the extra attacks you</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>get from the Cleave, Great Cleave, or Whirlwind attack</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>feats?</strong></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>When you roll to confirm a critical, you use whatever</em></p><p><em>bonuses applied to the attack roll that made the threat, no</em></p><p><em>matter where those bonuses came from.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>True strike affects only one attack. (Rolling to confirm a</em></p><p><em>critical is not a separate attack for this purpose.) If you make</em></p><p><em>multiple attacks in a round, your bonus from true strike applies</em></p><p><em>only to the first attack you make, no matter how you managed</em></p><p><em>to get multiple attacks.</em></p><p></p><p>You agree that Cleave considers circumstantial modifiers separately - you don't get to apply a flanking bonus to an unflanked second opponent just because the first opponent was flanked, for example. In the same way, you can't apply a bonus from a non-existent spell to an second opponent just because it existed for the first opponent.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, there are circumstantial modifiers that differ between the initial trip and the followup attack. Taken to an extreme, we can say that if we had not used the first attack to trip, the opponent would not be prone, and thus he should not incur a -4 to AC against the second attack - since it is made as if we had not used an attack to trip. But the -4 <em>does</em> apply, because circumstances have changed. In the same way, the circumstances relating to True Strike have changed - on the trip attack, the spell was in effect, but on the followup attack, the spell has already discharged and is not in effect.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3882873, member: 1656"] True Strike [i]is[/i] a circumstantial bonus. The circumstance is that there is a spell in effect; after the first attack, which discharges the spell, there is no spell in effect, and you can't gain a bonus from a spell that isn't there. For what it's worth, the 3E Main FAQ addressed this question directly: [i][b]If you use the true strike spell and you get a threat, does the +20 bonus from the apply to the critical confirmation roll? Would the +20 bonus apply to the extra attacks you get from the Cleave, Great Cleave, or Whirlwind attack feats?[/b] When you roll to confirm a critical, you use whatever bonuses applied to the attack roll that made the threat, no matter where those bonuses came from. True strike affects only one attack. (Rolling to confirm a critical is not a separate attack for this purpose.) If you make multiple attacks in a round, your bonus from true strike applies only to the first attack you make, no matter how you managed to get multiple attacks.[/i] You agree that Cleave considers circumstantial modifiers separately - you don't get to apply a flanking bonus to an unflanked second opponent just because the first opponent was flanked, for example. In the same way, you can't apply a bonus from a non-existent spell to an second opponent just because it existed for the first opponent. Similarly, there are circumstantial modifiers that differ between the initial trip and the followup attack. Taken to an extreme, we can say that if we had not used the first attack to trip, the opponent would not be prone, and thus he should not incur a -4 to AC against the second attack - since it is made as if we had not used an attack to trip. But the -4 [i]does[/i] apply, because circumstances have changed. In the same way, the circumstances relating to True Strike have changed - on the trip attack, the spell was in effect, but on the followup attack, the spell has already discharged and is not in effect. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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