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<blockquote data-quote="youspoonybard" data-source="post: 1139000" data-attributes="member: 12242">I think the Monk's Belt works fine.&nbsp; Every creature has a base unarmed damage rating, determined by their size (and monk levels), and I'm fully comfortable with giving them the damage-die increase with that.&nbsp; Unarmed striking is not striking with limbs, but with your body.&nbsp; But yes, that isn't the major point here.I understand your point about the constrict and improved grab abilities, but looking on the page 310 Improved Grab ability, it says:&quot;If the creature does not constrict, each successful grapple check it makes during successive rounds automatically deals the damage indicated for the attack that established the hold.&nbsp; Otherwise, it deals constriction damage as well.&quot;Poking this phrase apart, this is what I get out of it:1) It does not say, &quot;The creature can make a grapple check to do the damage...&quot; ... it says &quot;Each successful grapple check it makes ... automatically deals the damage ... &quot;.&nbsp; This seems to mean that as long as you're rolling an opposed grapple check, you can do damage, be it with a pin, an escape, or an attack.&nbsp; I can visualize this; the snake has its fangs in the person, and using grapple checks to hurt the opponents is just pushing the opponent around.&nbsp; The snake is swinging the person around with his fangs stuck in him.&nbsp; Poor guy.&nbsp; Likewise, when the snake tries to flee a grapple (yeah, right), he flings the guy off the fangs.&nbsp; That's got to hurt.&nbsp; But flavor text aside, it seems that the damage is dealt.The thing is, if the text says &quot;When using opposed grapple checks to damage your opponent in a grapple, the creature does the damage listed for the weapon used to initiate the Improved Grab ability instead of its normal unarmed damage&quot; or something to that extent, your way seems valid.&nbsp; I also understand the reasoning behind your case.&nbsp; It just doesn't seem to be what the rules say.All I'm reading is that &quot;Whenever you win a grapple check, you deal damage, no matter what that grapple check was used for.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="youspoonybard, post: 1139000, member: 12242"] I think the Monk's Belt works fine. Every creature has a base unarmed damage rating, determined by their size (and monk levels), and I'm fully comfortable with giving them the damage-die increase with that. Unarmed striking is not striking with limbs, but with your body. But yes, that isn't the major point here. I understand your point about the constrict and improved grab abilities, but looking on the page 310 Improved Grab ability, it says: "If the creature does not constrict, each successful grapple check it makes during successive rounds automatically deals the damage indicated for the attack that established the hold. Otherwise, it deals constriction damage as well." Poking this phrase apart, this is what I get out of it: 1) It does not say, "The creature can make a grapple check to do the damage..." ... it says "Each successful grapple check it makes ... automatically deals the damage ... ". This seems to mean that as long as you're rolling an opposed grapple check, you can do damage, be it with a pin, an escape, or an attack. I can visualize this; the snake has its fangs in the person, and using grapple checks to hurt the opponents is just pushing the opponent around. The snake is swinging the person around with his fangs stuck in him. Poor guy. Likewise, when the snake tries to flee a grapple (yeah, right), he flings the guy off the fangs. That's got to hurt. But flavor text aside, it seems that the damage is dealt. The thing is, if the text says "When using opposed grapple checks to damage your opponent in a grapple, the creature does the damage listed for the weapon used to initiate the Improved Grab ability instead of its normal unarmed damage" or something to that extent, your way seems valid. I also understand the reasoning behind your case. It just doesn't seem to be what the rules say. All I'm reading is that "Whenever you win a grapple check, you deal damage, no matter what that grapple check was used for." [/QUOTE]

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