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<blockquote data-quote="Ogrork the Mighty" data-source="post: 5038427" data-attributes="member: 19042"><p>Yes but Cleave specifies that you can make an "immediate" attack vs. as a free action. And sneak attack doesn't specify any type of action.</p><p></p><p>I agree that it can be done but my players are questioning it. The crux of their argument is that a free action can only be done on your turn (not sure if that's true or not) and improved grab specifies that it's a free action.</p><p></p><p>I did find this in the SRD:</p><p></p><p><em>Immediate Action</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Much like a swift action, an immediate action consumes a very small amount of time, <u>but represents a larger expenditure of effort and energy than a free action</u>. However, unlike a swift action, <u>an immediate action can be performed at any time—even if it’s not your turn</u>. Using an immediate action on your turn is the same as using a swift action, and counts as your swift action for that turn. You cannot use another immediate action or a swift action until after your next turn if you have used an immediate action when it is not currently your turn (effectively, using an immediate action before your turn is equivalent to using your swift action for the coming turn). You also cannot use an immediate action if you are currently flat-footed. </em></p><p></p><p>So you could argue that since an immediate action represents a larger expenditure of effort and energy than a free action, but can still be done at any time even if it's not your turn, therefore a free action (which requires less time/effort) must also be able to be done at any time even if it's not your turn. Although of the examples of free actions, only speaking specifies that it can be done on someone else's turn...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ogrork the Mighty, post: 5038427, member: 19042"] Yes but Cleave specifies that you can make an "immediate" attack vs. as a free action. And sneak attack doesn't specify any type of action. I agree that it can be done but my players are questioning it. The crux of their argument is that a free action can only be done on your turn (not sure if that's true or not) and improved grab specifies that it's a free action. I did find this in the SRD: [I]Immediate Action Much like a swift action, an immediate action consumes a very small amount of time, [U]but represents a larger expenditure of effort and energy than a free action[/U]. However, unlike a swift action, [U]an immediate action can be performed at any time—even if it’s not your turn[/U]. Using an immediate action on your turn is the same as using a swift action, and counts as your swift action for that turn. You cannot use another immediate action or a swift action until after your next turn if you have used an immediate action when it is not currently your turn (effectively, using an immediate action before your turn is equivalent to using your swift action for the coming turn). You also cannot use an immediate action if you are currently flat-footed. [/I] So you could argue that since an immediate action represents a larger expenditure of effort and energy than a free action, but can still be done at any time even if it's not your turn, therefore a free action (which requires less time/effort) must also be able to be done at any time even if it's not your turn. Although of the examples of free actions, only speaking specifies that it can be done on someone else's turn... [/QUOTE]
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