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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4794074" data-attributes="member: 22779">I say kill as in dead.&nbsp; If I meant negative, I would have said that.An EL par encounter should not result in a dead PC.&nbsp; That's pretty much stated in the DMG and borne out by the rules.&nbsp; Unfortunately, because some grapple monsters have such insanely high grapple scores, they become auto-wins for grappling.&nbsp; If you make the mistake of using a small number of them, say, 1 per PC, you can easily kill a PC, even though, eyeballing the system, you shouldn't.&nbsp; I do not consider a dead PC to be a reasonable assumption to make for an EL par encounter.&nbsp; If that's true, then you should be killing PC's almost every encounter.&nbsp; An EL par encounter should cost some resources, true, but, not a dead PC.&nbsp; But, like I said, it would be a good idea for there to have been a sidebar somewhere in the MM or DMG stating that certain abilities really play merry hell with the CR/EL system assumptions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 4794074, member: 22779"] I say kill as in dead. If I meant negative, I would have said that. An EL par encounter should not result in a dead PC. That's pretty much stated in the DMG and borne out by the rules. Unfortunately, because some grapple monsters have such insanely high grapple scores, they become auto-wins for grappling. If you make the mistake of using a small number of them, say, 1 per PC, you can easily kill a PC, even though, eyeballing the system, you shouldn't. I do not consider a dead PC to be a reasonable assumption to make for an EL par encounter. If that's true, then you should be killing PC's almost every encounter. An EL par encounter should cost some resources, true, but, not a dead PC. But, like I said, it would be a good idea for there to have been a sidebar somewhere in the MM or DMG stating that certain abilities really play merry hell with the CR/EL system assumptions. [/QUOTE]

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