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<blockquote data-quote="Hammerforge" data-source="post: 3563751" data-attributes="member: 23564"><p>In the text for Improved Grab, it says this:</p><p></p><p><em>The creature has the option to conduct the grapple normally, or simply use the part of its body it used in the improved grab to hold the opponent. If it chooses to do the latter, it takes a -20 penalty on grapple checks, but is not considered grappled itself; the creature does not lose its Dexterity bonus to AC, still threatens an area, and can use its remaining attacks against other opponents. A successful hold does not deal any extra damage unless the creature also has the constrict special attack. If the creature does not constrict, each successful grapple check it makes during successive rounds automatically deals the damage indicated for the attack that established the hold. Otherwise, it deals constriction damage as well (the amount is given in the creature’s descriptive text).</em></p><p></p><p>What confuses me is the apparent contradiction in the text. At first it says that the creature may conduct the grapple normally OR simply hold the opponent. This means that no grapple check is required if the creature chooses to hold its opponent. However, it goes on to say that there are grapple checks each round.</p><p></p><p>I know there's something I'm missing, but what is it?</p><p></p><p>Thanks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hammerforge, post: 3563751, member: 23564"] In the text for Improved Grab, it says this: [I]The creature has the option to conduct the grapple normally, or simply use the part of its body it used in the improved grab to hold the opponent. If it chooses to do the latter, it takes a -20 penalty on grapple checks, but is not considered grappled itself; the creature does not lose its Dexterity bonus to AC, still threatens an area, and can use its remaining attacks against other opponents. A successful hold does not deal any extra damage unless the creature also has the constrict special attack. If the creature does not constrict, each successful grapple check it makes during successive rounds automatically deals the damage indicated for the attack that established the hold. Otherwise, it deals constriction damage as well (the amount is given in the creature’s descriptive text).[/I] What confuses me is the apparent contradiction in the text. At first it says that the creature may conduct the grapple normally OR simply hold the opponent. This means that no grapple check is required if the creature chooses to hold its opponent. However, it goes on to say that there are grapple checks each round. I know there's something I'm missing, but what is it? Thanks. [/QUOTE]
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