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<blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 3637504" data-attributes="member: 2829"><p>It <em>can</em> start a grapple, but it doesn't <em>have</em> to. If the bear does not want to start a grapple, it does not have to start a grapple. The improved grab ability simply allows the bear to start a grapple with a regular attack, instead of using a touch attack and forgoing damage.</p><p></p><p>If during the grapple, the bear damages its opponent with another claw, it does not start a grapple again. It just smacks the bugger out of them. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really foggy. From the Improved Grab description...</p><p></p><p>"When a creature gets a hold after an improved grab attack, it pulls the opponent into its space."</p><p></p><p>This is contrary to the grappler <em>normally</em> moving <em>into</em> the opponent's space.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, because you can move into their space.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but I think the advantage for the bear, if it can do so with the -20 penalty, would be to maintain the grapple and smack the opponent around with its remaining attacks.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Claw damage, I believe.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kreynolds, post: 3637504, member: 2829"] It [i]can[/i] start a grapple, but it doesn't [i]have[/i] to. If the bear does not want to start a grapple, it does not have to start a grapple. The improved grab ability simply allows the bear to start a grapple with a regular attack, instead of using a touch attack and forgoing damage. If during the grapple, the bear damages its opponent with another claw, it does not start a grapple again. It just smacks the bugger out of them. :) Not really foggy. From the Improved Grab description... "When a creature gets a hold after an improved grab attack, it pulls the opponent into its space." This is contrary to the grappler [i]normally[/i] moving [i]into[/i] the opponent's space. Right, because you can move into their space. Yes, but I think the advantage for the bear, if it can do so with the -20 penalty, would be to maintain the grapple and smack the opponent around with its remaining attacks. Claw damage, I believe. [/QUOTE]
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