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<blockquote data-quote="Bill Muench" data-source="post: 733484" data-attributes="member: 121"><p>One of the things I've always had trouble with in 3E is grappling (who hasn't, right?). With the release of <em>Savage Species</em> and the Multigrab and Improved Multigrab feats, I revisited one of my favorite NPCs, a Marilith Blackguard.</p><p></p><p>Now, if I'm reading this all correctly, the marilith could hit an opponent with her tail slam attack and immediately move into a grapple. If she takes -20 on her grapple check (or -10, or -0 depending on if she has the Multigrab feats) she isn't considered grappled and can use the rest of her attacks normally, while her opponent is considered grappled. So she could then unload all of her attacks on her grappled opponent, who is thus denied dexterity, and they would all be sneak attacks. Correct? And if she leads off with the tail slam in the round (because there isn't anything that says you have to start with your primary attack, is there?), she could do all this in one round. Right? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> </p><p></p><p>So the sequence would be:</p><p>1. Use full-attack action and start with the tail slam. Hits opponent, gets to immediately make a grapple check.</p><p>2. She takes a -20 penalty on it and beats her opponent. Opponent is pulled into her square.</p><p>3. Due to constrict ability, she gets to make a second grapple check and if she succeeds she does constrict damage. Opponent has to make a Fort save or fall unconscious. Assuming he succeeds...</p><p>3. She takes the rest of her attacks normally against her grappled opponent. Because he is grappled, she gets sneak attack damage.</p><p>4. If she wants, she still has a 5' step and can drag her opponent with her.</p><p>5. Next round she can make another grapple check to constrict, provoking another Fort save, and assuming she is still taking the -20 penalty, she can take a full attack and get sneak attack damage.</p><p></p><p>Does that sound right? Thanks! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bill Muench, post: 733484, member: 121"] One of the things I've always had trouble with in 3E is grappling (who hasn't, right?). With the release of [I]Savage Species[/I] and the Multigrab and Improved Multigrab feats, I revisited one of my favorite NPCs, a Marilith Blackguard. Now, if I'm reading this all correctly, the marilith could hit an opponent with her tail slam attack and immediately move into a grapple. If she takes -20 on her grapple check (or -10, or -0 depending on if she has the Multigrab feats) she isn't considered grappled and can use the rest of her attacks normally, while her opponent is considered grappled. So she could then unload all of her attacks on her grappled opponent, who is thus denied dexterity, and they would all be sneak attacks. Correct? And if she leads off with the tail slam in the round (because there isn't anything that says you have to start with your primary attack, is there?), she could do all this in one round. Right? :confused: So the sequence would be: 1. Use full-attack action and start with the tail slam. Hits opponent, gets to immediately make a grapple check. 2. She takes a -20 penalty on it and beats her opponent. Opponent is pulled into her square. 3. Due to constrict ability, she gets to make a second grapple check and if she succeeds she does constrict damage. Opponent has to make a Fort save or fall unconscious. Assuming he succeeds... 3. She takes the rest of her attacks normally against her grappled opponent. Because he is grappled, she gets sneak attack damage. 4. If she wants, she still has a 5' step and can drag her opponent with her. 5. Next round she can make another grapple check to constrict, provoking another Fort save, and assuming she is still taking the -20 penalty, she can take a full attack and get sneak attack damage. Does that sound right? Thanks! :) [/QUOTE]
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