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<blockquote data-quote="Stuntman" data-source="post: 4936641" data-attributes="member: 84817">The difference between II and DS is that the person choosing II will beat the person choosing DS 55.5% of the time.&nbsp; DS is really close to a +3 Initiative modifier.&nbsp; An initiative modifer of +3 will beat DS by only 50.7% of the time.&nbsp;&nbsp;The way I see it, Improved Initiative is probably the feat most players are familiar with.&nbsp; It's exactly the same as the 3E feat.&nbsp; Danger Sense seems like a feat you can take in addition to II.&nbsp; II allows you to win initiative more at the heroic tier and then if you want an even bigger boost, you have to wait until paragon teir to take DS.&nbsp; The exact values are close enough anyway that it doesn't make much of a difference.&nbsp;I do agree that if a player does not take II at all and then reaches paragon tier, that player may be mislead into believing that DS is better for him than II.&nbsp; In any case, the difference is not that great and it may even be the case that DS may be better for the player in question.&nbsp;&nbsp;I would say that the more other bonuses you get to initiative, the more likely DS is better for you compared to II.&nbsp; The exact nature of the bonus would change the calculations.&nbsp; A strict +2 to +10 bonus to initiative will make DS a slightly better feat than II.&nbsp; I'm not sure about rerolls, though as I haven't made those calculations.&nbsp; Rerolls for rerolls will make the calculations more complex than bonuses.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stuntman, post: 4936641, member: 84817"] The difference between II and DS is that the person choosing II will beat the person choosing DS 55.5% of the time. DS is really close to a +3 Initiative modifier. An initiative modifer of +3 will beat DS by only 50.7% of the time. The way I see it, Improved Initiative is probably the feat most players are familiar with. It's exactly the same as the 3E feat. Danger Sense seems like a feat you can take in addition to II. II allows you to win initiative more at the heroic tier and then if you want an even bigger boost, you have to wait until paragon teir to take DS. The exact values are close enough anyway that it doesn't make much of a difference. I do agree that if a player does not take II at all and then reaches paragon tier, that player may be mislead into believing that DS is better for him than II. In any case, the difference is not that great and it may even be the case that DS may be better for the player in question. I would say that the more other bonuses you get to initiative, the more likely DS is better for you compared to II. The exact nature of the bonus would change the calculations. A strict +2 to +10 bonus to initiative will make DS a slightly better feat than II. I'm not sure about rerolls, though as I haven't made those calculations. Rerolls for rerolls will make the calculations more complex than bonuses. [/QUOTE]

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