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<blockquote data-quote="HarrisonF" data-source="post: 6771208" data-attributes="member: 58230">I did some analysis recently on this for my wizard casting on our sharpshooter ranger.&nbsp; It was right around AC 16 that it switched from being haste to improved invisibility as more expected damage.With that said, there are a lot of circumstantial cases as well where one is better than the other.&nbsp;&nbsp; With Haste, if you have a chance of losing concentration, it can be pretty bad.&nbsp; Skipping a turn of actions can be devastating, so if you are a self-buffing gish, you should be very careful.With Improved Invisibility, there are a lot of creatures that can see through it via blindsight or similar.&nbsp; When fighting a dragon, II isn't useful at all.If there is already a way to get advantage, then II loses out as well.&nbsp; For example, barbarians find haste dramatically better than II.The number of attacks will come into play as well.&nbsp; Getting advantage on 4 attacks gives a lot more gain than just one bonus attack from haste.&nbsp; We are only level 9, so that isn't too significant yet.My decision tree I ended up with:Can the monsters see through II?&nbsp; If so, use Haste.Do we likely already have advantage on a lot of attacks?&nbsp; If so, use Haste.Is the monster AC less than 17?&nbsp; If so, use Haste.Otherwise use II.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HarrisonF, post: 6771208, member: 58230"] I did some analysis recently on this for my wizard casting on our sharpshooter ranger. It was right around AC 16 that it switched from being haste to improved invisibility as more expected damage. With that said, there are a lot of circumstantial cases as well where one is better than the other. With Haste, if you have a chance of losing concentration, it can be pretty bad. Skipping a turn of actions can be devastating, so if you are a self-buffing gish, you should be very careful. With Improved Invisibility, there are a lot of creatures that can see through it via blindsight or similar. When fighting a dragon, II isn't useful at all. If there is already a way to get advantage, then II loses out as well. For example, barbarians find haste dramatically better than II. The number of attacks will come into play as well. Getting advantage on 4 attacks gives a lot more gain than just one bonus attack from haste. We are only level 9, so that isn't too significant yet. My decision tree I ended up with: Can the monsters see through II? If so, use Haste. Do we likely already have advantage on a lot of attacks? If so, use Haste. Is the monster AC less than 17? If so, use Haste. Otherwise use II. [/QUOTE]

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