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<blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 2878784" data-attributes="member: 31734">If a feat is an effect, and I think the consensus it is, then there's an argument that INA would apply.&nbsp; The only question then becomes whether the &quot;order of acquisition&quot; of the feat and the applied power matter.&nbsp; The feat applies to your natural claws.&nbsp; When you manifest the power, you gain &quot;new&quot; (different) claws.&nbsp; The feat still applies to your original claws, so therefore it can't also apply to your new ones.So, no.&nbsp;This question is entirely about how you rule the levelling up process.&nbsp; I strongly disagree with glass (I believe it's glass) on this point and he strongly disagrees with me.&nbsp; If you rule as glass does that levelling up is an instantaneous event (or close to it), then you can manifest the power, level up, gain the feat and apply it to your existing claws, and then later on lose the power and access to the feat.&nbsp; I'm not sure in such a case what happens when/if you use other methods to acquire claws.I do not rule that way, however (feel free to read my houserules pages) and thus disallow taking a feat whereby you meets the prerequisites from a temporarily power/spell.On other point.&nbsp; The feat INA applies to &quot;one of the creature's natural attack forms&quot; or one &quot;natural weapon.&quot;&nbsp; Thus, if you have two claws and you want to apply INA to both, you need to take the feat twice.&nbsp; Or, at least that's a debatable position.&nbsp; I don't hold that position (I interpret &quot;claws&quot; to be one attack form), however.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Infiniti2000, post: 2878784, member: 31734"] If a feat is an effect, and I think the consensus it is, then there's an argument that INA would apply. The only question then becomes whether the "order of acquisition" of the feat and the applied power matter. The feat applies to your natural claws. When you manifest the power, you gain "new" (different) claws. The feat still applies to your original claws, so therefore it can't also apply to your new ones. So, no. This question is entirely about how you rule the levelling up process. I strongly disagree with glass (I believe it's glass) on this point and he strongly disagrees with me. If you rule as glass does that levelling up is an instantaneous event (or close to it), then you can manifest the power, level up, gain the feat and apply it to your existing claws, and then later on lose the power and access to the feat. I'm not sure in such a case what happens when/if you use other methods to acquire claws. I do not rule that way, however (feel free to read my houserules pages) and thus disallow taking a feat whereby you meets the prerequisites from a temporarily power/spell. On other point. The feat INA applies to "one of the creature's natural attack forms" or one "natural weapon." Thus, if you have two claws and you want to apply INA to both, you need to take the feat twice. Or, at least that's a debatable position. I don't hold that position (I interpret "claws" to be one attack form), however. [/QUOTE]

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