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<blockquote data-quote="Korak" data-source="post: 1340385" data-attributes="member: 9781">Sorry Dog, gotta call you out on that one.&nbsp; In terms of raw damage, no feat is more powerful than power attack.&nbsp; Just as one quick example: An unhasted Ftr16 with a total attack bonus of 34, wielding a flaming greatsword enchanted to +4, naturally or GMW, with a +20 to damage and improved critical, attacking an AC25 target (something he might want to trade full attacks with); optimal use of power attack will raise his average damage done on a charge from 34 to 64, and raise his average damage on the full attack from 127 to 148.&nbsp; This same fighter spring attacking a nastier opponent of ac 32 that he might not want to trade full attacks with has his damage raised from 34 to 43.&nbsp; Finally, even at level 16, a fighter sometimes has to deal with lower AC foes, be they summoned animals or hordes of lesser creatures.&nbsp; Against AC 15 foes, his charge damage goes from 34 to 71 (more than doubling), and his full attack goes from 136 to 235 (nearly 100 more damage in a round... without factoring in haste).&nbsp; Power attack is hoss, and totally worth it for any character that melees and has a respectable to-hit bonus.In a related development... the single attack portion of my power attack spreadsheet has been diagnosed and repaired.&nbsp; It is attached.It is hard for me to believe that in this same thread where people are saying things like this:&nbsp; That some people can be arguing that IRS is overpowered.&nbsp; One might also say, &quot;Improved Rapid Shot is only really hugely useful for archers, anyway.&nbsp; The +2 to hit is nice... but not critical.&quot;Some &quot;+2 to hit&quot; is overpowered, but other &quot;+2 to hit&quot; is &quot;nice, but not critical&quot;?Let me demonstrate:&nbsp; Unhasted Level 16 Ftr, archery spec'd, 16BA, +36 to hit, +15 to damage, improved crit, one elemental damage die... first, without IRSAvg dmg on full attack vs AC 20: 128vs AC 30: 108vs AC 40: 57Now for the IRS archervs AC 20: 128vs AC 30: 114vs AC 40: 68The best results were against high AC opponents, but even then, spread across 5 attacks, there was only an increase of 11 damage.... that is barely more powerful than weapon specialization.For me, that is case closed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Korak, post: 1340385, member: 9781"] Sorry Dog, gotta call you out on that one. In terms of raw damage, no feat is more powerful than power attack. Just as one quick example: An unhasted Ftr16 with a total attack bonus of 34, wielding a flaming greatsword enchanted to +4, naturally or GMW, with a +20 to damage and improved critical, attacking an AC25 target (something he might want to trade full attacks with); optimal use of power attack will raise his average damage done on a charge from 34 to 64, and raise his average damage on the full attack from 127 to 148. This same fighter spring attacking a nastier opponent of ac 32 that he might not want to trade full attacks with has his damage raised from 34 to 43. Finally, even at level 16, a fighter sometimes has to deal with lower AC foes, be they summoned animals or hordes of lesser creatures. Against AC 15 foes, his charge damage goes from 34 to 71 (more than doubling), and his full attack goes from 136 to 235 (nearly 100 more damage in a round... without factoring in haste). Power attack is hoss, and totally worth it for any character that melees and has a respectable to-hit bonus. In a related development... the single attack portion of my power attack spreadsheet has been diagnosed and repaired. It is attached. It is hard for me to believe that in this same thread where people are saying things like this: That some people can be arguing that IRS is overpowered. One might also say, "Improved Rapid Shot is only really hugely useful for archers, anyway. The +2 to hit is nice... but not critical." Some "+2 to hit" is overpowered, but other "+2 to hit" is "nice, but not critical"? Let me demonstrate: Unhasted Level 16 Ftr, archery spec'd, 16BA, +36 to hit, +15 to damage, improved crit, one elemental damage die... first, without IRS Avg dmg on full attack vs AC 20: 128 vs AC 30: 108 vs AC 40: 57 Now for the IRS archer vs AC 20: 128 vs AC 30: 114 vs AC 40: 68 The best results were against high AC opponents, but even then, spread across 5 attacks, there was only an increase of 11 damage.... that is barely more powerful than weapon specialization. For me, that is case closed. [/QUOTE]

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