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<blockquote data-quote="Snipehunt" data-source="post: 1150755" data-attributes="member: 13142">Whether you can trip as the AoO drawn for standing from prone is a debatable question, although I favor yes under the &quot;your trying to stand as you are tripped, have used your move action in the attempt, and then fail if you're tripped&quot; theory.&nbsp; However, even I draw the line at allowing a trip attack to have any effect on somebody who is simply prone.&nbsp; Under trip attack, success means &quot;you trip the defender.&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Being tripped&quot; means simly that &quot;[a] tripped character is prone.&quot;&nbsp; If you succeed in making your trip attack against a prone person, you haven't &quot;tripped a person in melee combat,&quot; which is what triggers the extra attack from improved trip.&nbsp; That person is already prone, and so is not &quot;tripped&quot; by your trip attack.&nbsp; You just wasted a real attack on trying to trip somebody who's already prone.&nbsp; (THis is another reason I think you can trip on AoO provoking by standing, but that's just me.)As for the druid build, that works OK, just like any strength build.&nbsp; I'd still put my money on the dwarf cleric.&nbsp; Keep in mind, though, you can only trip somboedy w/in one size category (I think they figure otherwise you'll just be grabbing them in a slavering maw or something).&nbsp; So, that large dire wolf can't trip a halfling.&nbsp; Plus, you can't drop a weapon if you're countertripped (no, it's not automatic).&nbsp; Worse, you still don't have reach, which is the main benefit of the trip fighter (thanks to whoever thought up the spiked chain).Note that tripping with a weapon doesn't change the size limit, per the rules.&nbsp; An oddity, IMO - like an ogre wielding a spiked chain couldn't trip Bilbo.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snipehunt, post: 1150755, member: 13142"] Whether you can trip as the AoO drawn for standing from prone is a debatable question, although I favor yes under the "your trying to stand as you are tripped, have used your move action in the attempt, and then fail if you're tripped" theory. However, even I draw the line at allowing a trip attack to have any effect on somebody who is simply prone. Under trip attack, success means "you trip the defender." "Being tripped" means simly that "[a] tripped character is prone." If you succeed in making your trip attack against a prone person, you haven't "tripped a person in melee combat," which is what triggers the extra attack from improved trip. That person is already prone, and so is not "tripped" by your trip attack. You just wasted a real attack on trying to trip somebody who's already prone. (THis is another reason I think you can trip on AoO provoking by standing, but that's just me.) As for the druid build, that works OK, just like any strength build. I'd still put my money on the dwarf cleric. Keep in mind, though, you can only trip somboedy w/in one size category (I think they figure otherwise you'll just be grabbing them in a slavering maw or something). So, that large dire wolf can't trip a halfling. Plus, you can't drop a weapon if you're countertripped (no, it's not automatic). Worse, you still don't have reach, which is the main benefit of the trip fighter (thanks to whoever thought up the spiked chain). Note that tripping with a weapon doesn't change the size limit, per the rules. An oddity, IMO - like an ogre wielding a spiked chain couldn't trip Bilbo. [/QUOTE]

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