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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zaruthustran" data-source="post: 1150945" data-attributes="member: 1457">Please lay off Frank; the infinite loop is an interesting exploit. Disagree if you want but please don't insult him.Me, I don't think the infinite loop makes sense even within the rules--"trip" in this context means "to make fall down." If you're already down there's nowhere to fall.The counter-argument to that is that you can "trip" magically flying creatures. In-game, it means they're spun around/disoriented.I'm leaning toward the dwarf cleric with the Strength domain. BAB doesn't matter much with Trip (it's a touch attak, followed by a str check) and the followup attack is at +4, so what's the appeal of Fighter? Besides being able to do it at first level if non-human, that is.I'd peg the best 6th level tripper as 6th level Cleric of Strength.28 point buy (with one stat bump from 4th level)Str 16 Dex 8 Con 16 Int 14 Wis 15 Cha 6Feats:1. Combat Expertise3. Improved Trip6. EWP: Spiked ChainTrip mod:+3 Str+4 Enlarge Person (1st level domain spell)+4 Improved Trip+3 Feat of Strength (domain ability)= +14 to trips, +18 to resist trip.Compare to 6th level druid:halfling druidStr 6 Dex 10 Con 16 Int 14 Wis 16 Cha 8(low physical stats since will wild shape)Shape of cheetah:Str 16, full attack bite +6 2 claws +1 each. A hit with any attack deals normal damage and initiates a free trip attempt.+3 Str+2 Bull's Strength+4 Improved Trip= +9 to trips, +13 to resist trip.The three trip attempts per the dwarf's one may give the edge to the cheetah. Although, the cheetah wouldn't have a chance against a large creature while the dwarf can go toe-to-toe.I agree that at high levels the druid has the advantage, but at low levels the advantage is to the dwarf cleric.Funky question: what if the druid was a dwarf druid? If wildshaped it would lose the stonecunning, darkvision, and +4 trip resitance, right? But does anyone ever remember this stuff? Would a human wildshaped into a bear lose his human bonus skill points? Would an elf lose his enchantment resistance? Or a halfling his +1 save modifiers and bonus to thrown weapons? -z</blockquote>

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