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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sagawork_Studios" data-source="post: 4770425" data-attributes="member: 83220">Complete Scoundrel?I hope this helps, but it does fall under your original argument of not necessarily being a viable choice for gamers:There is something similar in the Skill Tricks section of the Complete Scoundrel, specifically:  Spot the Weak Point. Skill Tricks are purchasable with 2 skill points as long as the PC meets the prerequisites for it.  In the case of 'Spot the Weak Point' requires 12 ranks in Spot and with a spot attempt (DC=target's AC) made during combat as a standard action.  If successful, your next attack is made as a touch attack.I don't know if it is allowable, but coupled with...'Point it Out  (Spot, 8 Ranks) When you make successful spot check, you can spend an immediate action to grant a single ally a Free Spot Check (with a +2 circumstance bonus) to spot the same thing.'...could make the weak spot transferrable to one ally for their next round.  That is of course, the ally spends a standard action looking (but at +2) for the sweet spot the good rogue is shouting about.So depending on how you interperet the rules, you can have an opponent forced to use his touch AC against 2 or more PCs.Example: Rogue has 'Spot the Weak Point' and 'Point it Out' Skill Tricks.  Ally1 through 3 are untrained in either Skill Trick, but have varying ranks in spot.Round 1Rogue:  Spot the Weak Point vs target AC. Success.  Immediate action to point it out to Ally1.Ally1:  Spot vs target AC with +2 bonus.  Success.Ally2: Attack vs Normal ACAlly3: Attack vs Normal ACRound 2Rogue:  Spot the Weak Point vs target AC. Success.  Immediate action to point it out to Ally2Ally1: Attack vs Touch ACAlly2: Spot vs target AC with +2 bonus.  Success.Ally3: Attack vs Normal ACRound 3:Rogue:  Spot the Weak Point vs target AC. Success.  Immediate action to point it out to Ally3Ally1: Attack vs Normal ACAlly2: Attack vs Touch ACAlly3: Spot vs target AC with +2 bonus.  Success.Round 4:Rogue: Delays until after Ally3Ally1: Attack vs Normal ACAlly2: Attack vs Normal ACAlly3: Attack vs Touch ACRogue: Attack vs Touch AC. Opponent Death. Yay!The argument to my interpretation of 'Point it Out' allowing untrained Skill Trick-ers to use Spot the Weak Point is thus:  If Spot the Weak Point is a requirement for all to benefit, why would a character take Point it Out at all when he could use Aid Another to assist a spot?  The philosophy of Skill Tricks are that they are better than normal skills but not as good as feats.  (Though I am happy to concede this if someone wants to constructively critique this.)  This goes a step further as the Rogue becomes the key to taking down a hard to hit opponent even if he cannot land enough damage to do so himself.  (In ugh, WoWspeak, this is a debuff <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />)I love Rogues.  There are just so many things you can do with them.  I have never seen them as a massive damage dealers but as an opportunist who exploit any opening mercilessly.  Use Device=cool. Bluff=more cool.I love monks too, but that's another story.</blockquote>

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